"Wild" Apisto spoted at C328

**jamesneo** · 20th Jul 2007, 13:54

Spotted two pairs of Apisto Caca (Wild) at C328 during lunch time when Uncle just release them into the small glass tank and they show promising color under stress condition. One has nice Red finnage (Not that kind of yellowish variant) while the other one is Orange. There are also a few pair still on the floor but didn't see.
$XX German (Wild).

**Quixotic** · 20th Jul 2007, 14:04

Originally Posted by jamesneo

$XX German (Wild)

Just out of curiousity, if these are "German", how can they be wild? F1 perhaps but wild? Hmm...

**jamesneo** · 20th Jul 2007, 15:09

Originally Posted by Quixotic

Just out of curiousity, if these are "German", how can they be wild? F1 perhaps but wild? Hmm...

Hmmm... I also don't know, saw Uncle write on the glass tank.

$XX German (Wild)

**riltz** · 20th Jul 2007, 19:26

any idea what other breeds other than caca?

**doppelbanddwarf** · 20th Jul 2007, 20:26

Perhaps german bred cacatuoides of the "wild" colouration?

**Nicky** · 22nd Jul 2007, 08:23

If it is wild, then it cannot be 'German'.

Some info displayed by LFS (not pointing only at any specific LFS) cannot be taken in 100%

**genes** · 22nd Jul 2007, 23:55

The wild forms of Ap. cacatuoides are usually bluish in colours with little or no reds in their finnages. These guys are rarely seen because they are not popular compared to their reddish forms. Triple/super reds or orange flash are aquarium strains achieved by means of strain breeding. So i do not think C328 Ap. cacatuoides are "wild" forms. Rather...farmbreds.

Here are some pics of the wild Ap. Cacatuoides.

**illumnae** · 23rd Jul 2007, 00:08

thanks for the pictorial guide eugene =) it's great to have apisto gurus teach us newbies the ropes

P.S. the fish in vincent's photo looks awesome!

**leeruisheng** · 23rd Jul 2007, 00:12

ya didn't knew that too. So much colour difference between wild and farm bred.

**Aquaculture** · 23rd Jul 2007, 09:57

Was at C328 the other day. If I remember correctly, it look something like the picture below, maybe someone can retify if I'm correct.

**luenny** · 23rd Jul 2007, 10:04

Originally Posted by genes

The wild forms of Ap. cacatuoides are usually bluish in colours with little or no reds in their finnages. These guys are rarely seen because they are not popular compared to their reddish forms. Triple/super reds or orange flash are aquarium strains achieved by means of strain breeding. So i do not think C328 Ap. cacatuoides are "wild" forms. Rather...farmbreds.

Here are some pics of the wild Ap. Cacatuoides.

Wow!! These are beautiful. Any idea where I can get to see them??

**illumnae** · 23rd Jul 2007, 10:17

Originally Posted by Aquaculture

Was at C328 the other day. If I remember correctly, it look something like the picture below, maybe someone can retify if I'm correct.

i think that would probably be an apisto. cacatuoides orange flash?

**leeruisheng** · 23rd Jul 2007, 12:13

Yes it's orange flash therefore farm bred.

**benny** · 23rd Jul 2007, 12:30

The Apistogramma cacatuoides and Apistogramma agassizii in the tanks are indeed labeled "German (wild)".

Firstly, Apistogramma cacatuoides/agassizii "Orange Flash", "Super/triple/double Red" are all selectively bred aquarium strains. As such, they are not naturally occuring specimens. Therefore, it is technically not possible to have a "wild caught" Apistogramma cacatuoides "Orange Flash". As posted above, the Wild specimens are usually a lot more dull in coloration when in a relaxed state. These aquarium strains will carry the brilliant coloration almost all the time, and hence the popularity with the hobbyists.

The fishes are labeled on the tank according to what the suppliers write on their delivery bags. As we all know, we cannot take it to be the gospel truth and ocassionally, there will be mistakes. The shopkeepers usually do not have the time to research and appreciate the fishes like the hobbyists (there are exceptions e.g. Biotope).

As such, let's just appreciate the fishes for what they are. Whether wild or otherwise, I must say that these German fishes are "WOW" in coloration!

So.... anyone got them?

Cheers,

**jamesneo** · 23rd Jul 2007, 13:58

Thks for the clarification. Just come back from C328 after lunch.
The German ("Wild") Orange Caca Pair is not there. Most probably sold.
As for the other pair (Caca Red variant), saw only 1 female (Red variant) in the tank. Think someone get the Male only.

Originally Posted by benny

The Apistogramma cacatuoides and Apistogramma agassizii in the tanks are indeed labeled "German (wild)".

Firstly, Apistogramma cacatuoides/agassizii "Orange Flash", "Super/triple/double Red" are all selectively bred aquarium strains. As such, they are not naturally occuring specimens. Therefore, it is technically not possible to have a "wild caught" Apistogramma cacatuoides "Orange Flash". As posted above, the Wild specimens are usually a lot more dull in coloration when in a relaxed state. These aquarium strains will carry the brilliant coloration almost all the time, and hence the popularity with the hobbyists.

The fishes are labeled on the tank according to what the suppliers write on their delivery bags. As we all know, we cannot take it to be the gospel truth and ocassionally, there will be mistakes. The shopkeepers usually do not have the time to research and appreciate the fishes like the hobbyists (there are exceptions e.g. Biotope).

As such, let's just appreciate the fishes for what they are. Whether wild or otherwise, I must say that these German fishes are "WOW" in coloration!

So.... anyone got them?

Cheers,

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