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    Anybody care to clear the mystery of the follwing article?

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    I finally bought a copy of "Nature Aquarium World" by Amano. It is a
    beautiful book, but I don't understand some of the data he gives for his
    tanks. I normally calculate CO2 levels (mg/l) from pH and kH
    measurements, using a table that George Booth incorporated into an article
    he wrote based on the Dupla 10 Golden Rules. The CO2 concentrations that
    I obtained from this table when I used the pH and kH data in Amano's book
    do not come close to the CO2 values that Amano gives. For example:

    Tank # kH pH CO2 (mg/l) CO2 (mg/l)
    Amano's data George's table

    29 1 6.8 16 5
    44 1 6.8 23 5
    41 1 7 19 3
    1 2 6.8 16 9
    7 2 7 16 6
    43 2 7 23 6
    28 3 6.8 17 14
    31 3 7 13 9
    22 3 7 19 9

    It seems pretty clear that Amano consistently gets higher CO2 levels than
    I would expect from George's table. Also, Amano's CO2 levels seem to be
    almost independent of kH/pH: for example tanks 22 and 41 both have pH=7
    and CO2=19, but have kH 3 and 1, respectively.

    I believe that George's table is reliable, so does anyone have any ideas
    why Amano's values disagree so strikingly with the table? Are CO2
    concentrations difficult to measure?
    Plant Physiology by Taiz and Zeiger

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    Anybody care to clear the mystery of the follwing article?

    I finally bought a copy of "Nature Aquarium World" by Amano. It is a
    beautiful book, but I don't understand some of the data he gives for his
    tanks. I normally calculate CO2 levels (mg/l) from pH and kH
    measurements, using a table that George Booth incorporated into an article
    he wrote based on the Dupla 10 Golden Rules. The CO2 concentrations that
    I obtained from this table when I used the pH and kH data in Amano's book
    do not come close to the CO2 values that Amano gives. For example:

    Tank # kH pH CO2 (mg/l) CO2 (mg/l)
    Amano's data George's table

    29 1 6.8 16 5
    44 1 6.8 23 5
    41 1 7 19 3
    1 2 6.8 16 9
    7 2 7 16 6
    43 2 7 23 6
    28 3 6.8 17 14
    31 3 7 13 9
    22 3 7 19 9

    It seems pretty clear that Amano consistently gets higher CO2 levels than
    I would expect from George's table. Also, Amano's CO2 levels seem to be
    almost independent of kH/pH: for example tanks 22 and 41 both have pH=7
    and CO2=19, but have kH 3 and 1, respectively.

    I believe that George's table is reliable, so does anyone have any ideas
    why Amano's values disagree so strikingly with the table? Are CO2
    concentrations difficult to measure?
    Plant Physiology by Taiz and Zeiger

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    Anybody care to clear the mystery of the follwing article?

    I finally bought a copy of "Nature Aquarium World" by Amano. It is a
    beautiful book, but I don't understand some of the data he gives for his
    tanks. I normally calculate CO2 levels (mg/l) from pH and kH
    measurements, using a table that George Booth incorporated into an article
    he wrote based on the Dupla 10 Golden Rules. The CO2 concentrations that
    I obtained from this table when I used the pH and kH data in Amano's book
    do not come close to the CO2 values that Amano gives. For example:

    Tank # kH pH CO2 (mg/l) CO2 (mg/l)
    Amano's data George's table

    29 1 6.8 16 5
    44 1 6.8 23 5
    41 1 7 19 3
    1 2 6.8 16 9
    7 2 7 16 6
    43 2 7 23 6
    28 3 6.8 17 14
    31 3 7 13 9
    22 3 7 19 9

    It seems pretty clear that Amano consistently gets higher CO2 levels than
    I would expect from George's table. Also, Amano's CO2 levels seem to be
    almost independent of kH/pH: for example tanks 22 and 41 both have pH=7
    and CO2=19, but have kH 3 and 1, respectively.

    I believe that George's table is reliable, so does anyone have any ideas
    why Amano's values disagree so strikingly with the table? Are CO2
    concentrations difficult to measure?
    Plant Physiology by Taiz and Zeiger

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    Anybody care to clear the mystery of the follwing article?

    I finally bought a copy of "Nature Aquarium World" by Amano. It is a
    beautiful book, but I don't understand some of the data he gives for his
    tanks. I normally calculate CO2 levels (mg/l) from pH and kH
    measurements, using a table that George Booth incorporated into an article
    he wrote based on the Dupla 10 Golden Rules. The CO2 concentrations that
    I obtained from this table when I used the pH and kH data in Amano's book
    do not come close to the CO2 values that Amano gives. For example:

    Tank # kH pH CO2 (mg/l) CO2 (mg/l)
    Amano's data George's table

    29 1 6.8 16 5
    44 1 6.8 23 5
    41 1 7 19 3
    1 2 6.8 16 9
    7 2 7 16 6
    43 2 7 23 6
    28 3 6.8 17 14
    31 3 7 13 9
    22 3 7 19 9

    It seems pretty clear that Amano consistently gets higher CO2 levels than
    I would expect from George's table. Also, Amano's CO2 levels seem to be
    almost independent of kH/pH: for example tanks 22 and 41 both have pH=7
    and CO2=19, but have kH 3 and 1, respectively.

    I believe that George's table is reliable, so does anyone have any ideas
    why Amano's values disagree so strikingly with the table? Are CO2
    concentrations difficult to measure?
    Plant Physiology by Taiz and Zeiger

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    pH/kH buffer calculations assume the only buffer system is the bicarbonate one
    i'd think that amano has some other form of buffer system in his tank and measures his co2 content using an ion specific probe

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    DEA..I probably know why Amano reading is different liao. As you say he uses specific ion-type of probe to measure CO2. I also read from the aqua journal that the normal pH reading is affected somewhat by the carbonate content in the water which is why he post the value for its sake and not for determining the CO2 level.
    Plant Physiology by Taiz and Zeiger

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