Yeah, that make Nikon D80 attractive, $200~$300 more than Canon EOS 400D.
why I don't do garden hybrids and aquarium strains: natural species is a history of Nature, while hybrids are just the whims of Man.
hexazona · crumenatum · Galleria Botanica
Yeah, that make Nikon D80 attractive, $200~$300 more than Canon EOS 400D.
however with the Nikon on board flash, you will have problem with reflection from the glass as it cannot be disabled. I would have loved for the canon on board flash to be able to act as flash trigger, that will give me an option to use ST-E2 or not. some times it is OK to flash from front (e.g. non-aquatic subjects) and it is less of a hassle to fix on the ST-E2.
why I don't do garden hybrids and aquarium strains: natural species is a history of Nature, while hybrids are just the whims of Man.
hexazona · crumenatum · Galleria Botanica
Actually all my fish shots were done using the D200's on board flash as a trigger. In the D200, there's an option to set the on board flash to very low power when using it as commander mode. When I do that, I don't get any reflection on the glass, don't even need to put tissue paper. I'm not sure if that is present in D80 or not but I think it is likely to be there.
- Luenny
not sure, so far the D80 owners I know are still struggling with their on board flash
why I don't do garden hybrids and aquarium strains: natural species is a history of Nature, while hybrids are just the whims of Man.
hexazona · crumenatum · Galleria Botanica
I'm a bit lost here, so.. in Nikon D200 for example, it is using the on board flash as a trigger and not IR. Because I've been thinking that both ST-E2 and Nikon using IR to trigger as well as comunicate with external flash
why I don't do garden hybrids and aquarium strains: natural species is a history of Nature, while hybrids are just the whims of Man.
hexazona · crumenatum · Galleria Botanica
for fish shots, not an issue. In fact, it acts as a very nice fill flash when properly diffused.
but once you use it for tank shots, unless your overhead lighting is so much stronger than the outside of the tank lighting, no matter how much lower you put down the on-board flash, you will be see that nice white spot on your pictures.
and then the nikon becomes not so attractive.
my experience came from using the 00 with the sb-800 as the master commander.
but nikon also have a similar gadget as the ST-E2 right? But think more expensive.
why I don't do garden hybrids and aquarium strains: natural species is a history of Nature, while hybrids are just the whims of Man.
hexazona · crumenatum · Galleria Botanica
Funny, I don't get such problem. Anyway, I never use the SB-800 as master commander. My SB-800 is set as slave on top of the aquarium. The D200 itself is set as commander and the flash is set to none (although it will still flash). In this mode, if you try to take indoor picture with just the onboard flash with normal ISO100 settings, you will see the flash go off but the picture will turn out as if there is no flash (all dark). I've tried that a few times when I forgot to switch the flash back to TTL.
- Luenny
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he'll be a mile away - and barefoot!!
You may be right by saying that they use something other than the flash to communicate the metering information to the slave flash. The on light from the board flash itself probably does not trigger the slave. You can confirm this by blocking the light with a piece of card board or something and see if the slave flash still fire or not. I think I tried mine before and it works - I think.
Last edited by luenny; 6th Dec 2007 at 18:15.
- Luenny
If you are already spending 1000 bucks for the camera, 700 bucks for the lens, 500 on a flash. 200 bucks on the ST-E2. DIY = Priceless? I don't know.
Last edited by Shadow; 6th Dec 2007 at 21:45.
I don't know about Canon's accessories. Nikon's TTL cable for the flash can cost around $70-$100 too. And it can only work with 1 flash. So you might as well get the ST-E2 which is 200 bucks.
- Luenny
$70-$100 just for cable?
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