weird

[Simon]

case 1: me always trying to intro MTS into my 4ft but they cannot survive.. i even acclimizate them b4 i add.. once i dropped them into, they stayed at that position... and never moved an inche... after a few days, only empty shell left.. I oso tried with flower snail, same thing happen...

case 2: recently get some hornwort from teo, those in my 4ft thriving... grew 200% longer than the first time i planted.. those in my 6ft, cant seem to survive... after a few days, they start to rot...

any ideas?

[Simon]

case 1: me always trying to intro MTS into my 4ft but they cannot survive.. i even acclimizate them b4 i add.. once i dropped them into, they stayed at that position... and never moved an inche... after a few days, only empty shell left.. I oso tried with flower snail, same thing happen...

case 2: recently get some hornwort from teo, those in my 4ft thriving... grew 200% longer than the first time i planted.. those in my 6ft, cant seem to survive... after a few days, they start to rot...

any ideas?

[Simon]

case 1: me always trying to intro MTS into my 4ft but they cannot survive.. i even acclimizate them b4 i add.. once i dropped them into, they stayed at that position... and never moved an inche... after a few days, only empty shell left.. I oso tried with flower snail, same thing happen...

case 2: recently get some hornwort from teo, those in my 4ft thriving... grew 200% longer than the first time i planted.. those in my 6ft, cant seem to survive... after a few days, they start to rot...

any ideas?

[Simon]

case 1: me always trying to intro MTS into my 4ft but they cannot survive.. i even acclimizate them b4 i add.. once i dropped them into, they stayed at that position... and never moved an inche... after a few days, only empty shell left.. I oso tried with flower snail, same thing happen...

case 2: recently get some hornwort from teo, those in my 4ft thriving... grew 200% longer than the first time i planted.. those in my 6ft, cant seem to survive... after a few days, they start to rot...

any ideas?

[Metallic Sardine]

Fish in your tank eating the snails. ou have loaches in your tank? They love snails............

[hoppinghippo]

simon: mts should be hardy rite? I really can't think of any reason other than your tank is a SALT water tank... heh.... ok lousy joke... anyway I suggest this trick: get a plastic cup, put your MTS on the gravel, poke a few holes in the cup to let water in and out, then put cup over MTS in the gravel. check the next day. if they are missing, means they burrowed out, means they DO move. if they are dead in the cup, then can rule out fish attack. anyway maybe you MTS are alive, just deep in your gravel?

as for hornwort, I suggest floating the plant instead of planting it to see if it survives. by floating you eliminate factors like adequate light at the bottom, co2 (can get from atmospheric air), o2, etc? my guess is your other plants are releasing chemicals to keep its growth in check. are your other plants similar in both tanks?

[vinz]

Case 2... nutrients? Fast growers usually need high amounts nutrients including N and P.

[Simon]

every attempt to intro snails in always fails... as for the hornwort, guess i try floating them instead

[bclee]

Simon, what do you dose in the tank? Too much CO2 possible?

BC

[CK Yeo]

both snails and hornwort is sensitive to Copper. How about shrimp? Medicated the tank recently?

ck

[Simon]

my BPS (bubble per sec) is 2-3, using diffuser.. copper? unlikely.. dun have anything with copper in the tank, piping is stainless steel.. will try again

[juggler]

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On 10/17/2002 11:41:38 PM

case 1: me always trying to intro MTS into my 4ft but they cannot survive.. i even acclimizate them b4 i add.. once i dropped them into, they stayed at that position... and never moved an inche... after a few days, only empty shell left.. I oso tried with flower snail, same thing happen...

case 2: recently get some hornwort from teo, those in my 4ft thriving... grew 200% longer than the first time i planted.. those in my 6ft, cant seem to survive... after a few days, they start to rot...

any ideas?
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Simon:

MTS: I started with only four MTS and now I got problem removing them. I had to ambush the army in the middle of night when they come out to feed. My Clown Loaches don't eat them. I believe they probably do well because my tank has coral chips -- kH always high (at least 5 dkH). In a way helps them in building hard shells, right?

Hornwort: In my case, Hornwort grows well in all other tank except my my 2.5ft tank. Could it be P deficiency? That is the only tank with 0.25ppm PO4, the rest has 1.0ppm. They turn more reddish and then leaves start dropping.

[loupgarou]

heh. wanted to ask wat was mts when it came to me. malayan trumpet snail

[Simon]

KF: i got no intention of removing my MTS, my 6ft is filled with them... anyway, i will try introducing them again and see...

I got mine from keong seong when i first started, just 3 and it multiply to a few hundred.. luckily, the apisto do attack small ones