doubleace's Apistogamma agassizii "Fire Red" & Apistogramma macmasteri

[benetay]

Good information for people to distinguish the difference between them!

Thanks Eugene!

[Quixotic]

I suppose A. Viejita II is selectively bred by Wilhelm for its "Super Red" line, I think those viejitas available out there are just normal A. Viejita II.

If it has been selectively bred, wouldn't that make A. vijeta II "Super Red" a strain, no matter is it from Mr. Wilhem, or from any other breeders? If so, I would caution against using the term strain for the purpose of distinguishing these then...

I mentioned Ap. vijeta II "Super Red" strain. I hope we do not confuse it here with Frank Wilhem's Ap. vijeta II "Super Red".

The reason why I said it was a strain here is because there is a high chance these 2 specimens might have inter bred for some time due to the mixup among local commercial farmers

... as it may potentially be confusing.

Maybe we should use the term A. cf. vijeta II "Super Red" instead for those that cannot be positively confirmed as such. A. cf. vijeta II "Super Red" indicates "a fish similar to A. vijeta II but not certainly identified as this species". Or something else, instead of using the term "strain".

[doubleace]

Thanks for all the identification.

Erm so my pair is Viejita II "Super Red"?

[genes]

Looks like it.

[doubleace]

hmm.. is this pair still young? Wonder when they grow up will the dosal fins extend?

[wasabi8888]

doubleace

is that the tank I gave you? wow!!!

[wiki]

If it has been selectively bred, wouldn't that make A. vijeta II "Super Red" a strain, no matter is it from Mr. Wilhem, or from any other breeders? If so, I would caution against using the term strain for the purpose of distinguishing these then...

... as it may potentially be confusing.

Maybe we should use the term A. cf. vijeta II "Super Red" instead for those that cannot be positively confirmed as such. A. cf. vijeta II "Super Red" indicates "a fish similar to A. vijeta II but not certainly identified as this species". Or something else, instead of using the term "strain".

No offence taken Quixotic, it's suppose to be an open discussion.

The term strain used here in the discussion is general and meant as a layman term for hobbyist's easy understanding. Tail features of doubleace's specimen discussed here differs from Frank Wilhem's Ap. vijeta II 'Super Red', especially when we compare the tail coloration. The true bloodline from Wilhem has a full red tinge. Should doubleace's fish be a wild Ap. vijeta II instead, the tail coloration would've been right.

On a personal note, I do not think it is appropriate for any of us here to term it as confer inengl. There has been no scientific paper to my knowledge so far published, to determine this name you mentioned as a recognised one within the fish Icthyologycommunity. Secondly, it would be more appropriate to leave this to the scientific entities instead of us making this sort of decision.

[doubleace]

doubleace

is that the tank I gave you? wow!!!

Yup Jeff.. The Mac's (so call Viejita) tank is the 1 you give me. I've remove all the oyama poster except the back to make it the same as the rest of the tanks.

[Samuel2618]

Bro doubleace..

I love your tanks.. They are simple, neat and easy for maintainence.. I love the Mac tank especially.. Ideal place for apistos to live in.. Did I see a coconut husk at the back of the plant in the Aga Fire Red tank??

Just set up a nano tank too for my upcoming pair despite mutiple objections from parents and wife.. That's why I really envy people who can set up tanks whenever they like..

Regards
Samuel

[Cacatuoides]

Hey Samuel,

Thats a coconut husk with moss on it in Andy's A. Agassizii 'Fire Red' tank. I have some for sale, check out my sales thread clearing lots of caves used for apisto breeding

[Ian Lim]

Bro Doublace,

What is the size of the tank you use to house the apisto? Filtration use? Thanks

[doubleace]

Bro doubleace..

I love your tanks.. They are simple, neat and easy for maintainence.. I love the Mac tank especially.. Ideal place for apistos to live in.. Did I see a coconut husk at the back of the plant in the Aga Fire Red tank??

Just set up a nano tank too for my upcoming pair despite mutiple objections from parents and wife.. That's why I really envy people who can set up tanks whenever they like..

Regards
Samuel

Bro Samuel

Thanks... yup thats a coconut husk in the aga "fire red" tank as what Eman had mention.

Bro Doublace,

What is the size of the tank you use to house the apisto? Filtration use? Thanks

Hi Ian

My tank size is 1ft cube tank and the filtration use is sponge filter.

[doubleace]

Great.. my viejita pair also breed already and i can see their fries with the mom.. Now I'm headache.. Going to run out of tanks already.

[genes]

Well, there are always breeder boxes.

[doubleace]

Breeder boxes for parents or fries?

[genes]

Thats for you to decide...

[doubleace]

currently only keep the male in the breeding tank. Maybe will shift them to a new tank. If not have to get external breeding box for the fries..

[inimicus]

Wow amazing pictures.

May i ask what's a good temp for these guys to get into the mood for breeding? Are they good jumpers? Is it necessary to place a cover over the tank?

[doubleace]

Temperature not really that important as the pH is. pH must be at least 5 or below. Don't think they are a good jumpers unless one of them been force to a corner and jump out or the water is not stable for them but for mine they don't jump although i still put mess cover over the tank to play safe.

[genes]

Apistos are known to be jumpers as well. So do provide lots of hiding space if you are keeping a pair in a small tank.

For breeding, frequent water changes can incite them to breed. Also, not all species requires a low ph to breed. For example, ap. cacatuoides can breed in neutral water. I have also bred ap. bitaeniata in ph 6.5. Going below 5 may sometimes cause acid burns on the fishes which may result in death. Tell tale signs are melted finnages.