doubleace's Apistogamma agassizii "Fire Red" & Apistogramma macmasteri

[doubleace]

Apistogramma Agassizii "Fire Red"

Sorry for the blur pic of the male, very hard to take as he scare of the female when he come out of the cave the female push him back in.

Male






Female


Apistogramma Macmasteri

Male


Female


Any comments are welcome..

[Cacatuoides]

The Aga 'Fire Red' is looking great!! Hope they'll spawn for you soon!!

Any pictures of the whole tank setup? thanks

[doubleace]

Yup... Eman here's the pic of the tank setup

Ap. Agassizii "Fire red" Tank


Ap. Macmasteri Tank

[Samuel2618]

Hi Bro..

Nice Mac pair you got there.. Looks a bit like Viejita actually.. Both actually no difference la.. They almost look the same anyway.. Looks very much coloured up as compared to the day I saw the pair at C328..

As for the pair of Aga Fire Red you bought from bro Cacatuoides.. Think they are also doing very well in the tank as well..

Know you all putting in a lot of effort in giving them a very good home from the start.. Keep up the good effort and hobby..

Regards
Samuel

[doubleace]

Thanks bro. Yup they're doing well in the tank.. Trying hard to give them lots of hiding place. Ya lor at first i though they are Vejita but the uncle wrote there Mac.. Still not sure what are the different between these both spices. Still got alot to learn from you all too..

[Zenislev]

Yo doubleace, may i know how much does your Macmasteri pair cost? Well, i personally think its more like Viejita though.

[doubleace]

It cost $40. Viejita or Mac how to different them?

Zack your avatar is Ap. Nijsenni?

[Cacatuoides]

Thanks for the tank pics bro, they're great homes for the apistos!! I'm sure they're loving it!

Viejita and Macmestari are very close in nature, there is a discussion thread on apistogramma.com forum, can try searching it there

[Zenislev]

Oh my avatar, thats the ap. Nij you sold me doubleace.

[doubleace]

wow he has grown up.. very well taken care by you.

[doubleace]

After searching all the thread between Viejita and Macmasteri in apistogramma.com and the information given by Zack and Samuel.. I think my pair is a Viejita. Correct me if i'm wrong.

[wiki]

Hi doubleace, your fish is an Ap. vijeta II "Super Red" strain to be exact.

[doubleace]

Wiki, confirm? Now i am confuse already.. unless i use samuel Mac to compare the different..

[wiki]

Note the difference on the 1st dorsal spine between Ap. macmasteri & Ap. vijeta when they flare. Ap. vijeta's 1st dorsal spine is solid black in color, while Ap. macmasteri does not have it.

I mentioned Ap. vijeta II "Super Red" strain. I hope we do not confuse it here with Frank Wilhem's Ap. vijeta II "Super Red".

[wiki]

Further to my posting above, I would also like to add the common confusion usually occurs between Ap. macmasteri "Red Neck" & Ap. vijeta II "Super Red".

The reason why I said it was a strain here is because there is a high chance these 2 specimens might have inter bred for some time due to the mixup among local commercial farmers.

The specimen we are discussing here possess features very close to an Ap. vijeta II "Super Red" instead of an Ap. macmasteri "Red Neck".

[doubleace]

So from the conclusion for this pair is a Viejita?

As what Wiki mention the difference on the 1st dorsal spine between Macmasteri & Vijeta when they flare. Vijeta's 1st dorsal spine is solid black in color, while Macmasteri does not have it. So my male has a solid black color on his dorsal spine which i asume its a Viejita?


Like what Samuel said, "nomatter is a Viejita or Macmasteri as long it is nice and you like it is enough."

[Quixotic]

No disrespect wiki, but just curious about some of the terminologies used. What exactly is the meaning of the term "strain"?

I don't dabble much in Apistogrammas, but is A. vijeta II "Super Red" wild in origin or has this been selectively bred for the "Super Red"?

[Cacatuoides]

I suppose A. Viejita II is selectively bred by Wilhelm for its "Super Red" line, I think those viejitas available out there are just normal A. Viejita II

my 2 cents
(A. Viejita II 'Super Red' will look very much like Nicholas' previous pair)

[genes]

Very nice setups for your apistos! Especially the nana tank with some slight scaping involved!

Perhaps some pictures involving Ap. macmasteri and Ap. viejita might make things clearer. From the pictures, like wiki said, the first dorsal fin membrane of ap. viejita does appear to be black and this is not the case for the ap. macmasteri. However, i have seen specimens of ap. viejita without the black first dorsal membrane as well. Attributed to cross breeding if indeed this trait is accurate to distinguish ap. viejita from ap. macmasteri.

[nicktc]

Great pics. Says it all.