Gan latest shippment

[Simon]

u referring to my pic? if so, thats the golden tetra

[Gary]

Other than gan,any other lfs sell altum?

[msmurf]

i saw ben at tiong bahru has 5 at $68 i think on wed.

[Simon]

Gary, u can try heinsberg at serangoon north

[Gary]

Simon,do u keep altum?
Can i keep with apisto?
heinsberg at serangoon north,that shop with the taiwan lady boss....,last week i was there,i don't see that fish anymore[]

[Simon]

yes, presently I have 5, previously have 10
from david.. a really big headach for my discus,
one got so stressed out.

to keep altums, u gotta have at least a 2ft high
tank, only then will they grow comfortably. in shorter
tanks, they will get stunted. If u intend to get small/mid ones,
remember to get at least 5-6, they do school together and do not
get stress easily

I supposed heinsberg is currently out of stock, but they are the
only ones selling Altums (I mean in large quanities) But the ones
at heinsberg is from Taiwan (Thats what she told me, 3yrs ago when I
bought 6 from her)

Altums from Gan and heinsberg are different, the wild ones have a
longer dorsal, while the ones from heinsberg is more triangular

both are extremely nice.

[Gary]

Thanks simon

[urbanjungleman]

Simon, Max went to US- that is why the posting was so late. Apologies for any inconvenience caused. Saw 5 pcs of Panaque Suttoni (the dream Pleco) in a USA public aquarium, came back and told Alen. I think he will go there with a hammer to shatter the glass. (also saw a big black stingray with yellow spots-4' in diameter and about 8" thick! Super beauty!!! It makes me want to buy Gan's smaller versions to keep!)

Gary, Gan's Altum comes from Brazil or Colombia- all authentic amazonia origin. They have very high finnage plus filament extension from the dorsal, ventral and caudal fins which looks like antennae. Not to mention about the "kiao kiao" mouth, which looks like pretty girls when they throw tantrums.

Hesinberg's altum came from Taiwan, they have rounder bodies, but comparatively, finnage are not so nice. Also, they are much more expensive over there. In short, Gan's altum is better.Regarding keeping, I kept 7 pcs (all Gan's) and they proved to be very hardy indeed (although many keepers will not agree with me on this point), fed them on bloodworms/ small cricket/ occassional moth and other insects which flew into my house. But one thing is for sure- you need a tall tank (min 2&quot for them to show off.

Hope you'll join in the fun of Altum keeping. So far, no one in Singapore has succeeded in breeding them, you might be the first to do so.

[Simon]

urban, I wouldnt to sure that one (Gan/heinsberg) have a better species,
its really up to the keeper, frankly, I have both before.. and so far,
those from heinsberg are my fav., they r not really what u call 'round'
shaped... but i do like their proportional body... I have a few which is
towering at ard 15inches... but thats my preference, I now have 5 from
Gan..

this altums are from heinsberg



will take some pic of Gan's

[Gary]

Hi!urban,thanks for the information.

[timebomb]

The beauty of the Altum lies in its finnage. Those at Gan's are much more beautiful as their dorsal/anal fins are much longer.

I have reasons to believe the Altums sold at the Haizenberg shop at Serangoon North are fish bred in captivity. Their bodies carry the signs of being force-fed. If you force-feed an Angel, the body grows too fast and the fins can't catch up. The Taiwanese, in recent years, have been experts in breeding all kinds of fishes. So it shouldn't be a surprise if the Altums are bred there commercially.

Having said that, however, I think you would have a better chance of breeding the Altum if you buy those from Haizenberg. Fish bred in captivity are more likely to breed in our tanks.

Loh K L

[Simon]

KL, its true that heinsberg's altums are bred in taiwan

[timebomb]

KL, its true that heinsberg's altums are bred in taiwan
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Do you know that for a fact, Simon?

I never asked the shop owner before. What I said earlier was based on pure observation and nothing more.

Loh K L

[Sky Devil]

The lady boss seems to be a taiwanese. Did you see their books for sale? Almost all chinese

[Simon]

yup, from the owner.. not the lady but from the husband

[timebomb]

yup, from the owner.. not the lady but from the husband
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Oh, I see. Thanks.

By the way, about your Altums, they sometimes exhibit strange patterns of behaviour. They are predators, I'm sure you know about that. But do you know that Altums sometimes hunt in packs? In other words, they sometimes co-operate with each other to hunt smaller fish. I have seen such behaviour with my own eyes and can vouch for it.

If you want to see them hunt in packs, put a school of small but fast-swimming fish into your tanks and watch closely just before lights go off.

Loh K L

[urbanjungleman]

Simon, the pix you posted looks good for a Taiwanese altum. Have they been with your planted tank for 3 yrs? They look better than what Hesinberg is offering at their place.
Gary, THIS is what I was trying to tell you- about the finnage/ body colour/ kiao kiao mouth. What is missing is the antennae which can be found on Gan's stock.

[Simon]

KL: yup, very interesting behaviour to observe, they usually hunt at nite and those in particular they love to hunt are the cardinal tetra since they are easier to target... the attack stance is diagonal 45 degree and spring forward biting the victim into half.. I can say they really hunt like a pack of wolves

urban, yup.. but they went to altum haven awhile ago...

[akoh]

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Saw 5 pcs of Panaque Suttoni (the dream Pleco) in a USA public aquarium, came back and told Allen. I think he will go there with a hammer to shatter the glass.
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Max. I'm drooling all over man ! []. I'm on the next plane to US []

Safe Diving !
akoh

[urbanjungleman]

Alen, how're you? I sponsor the hammer, just bring back the orange/ black spotted Harlequinn Frogs at the entrance for me. It's Ramadan again, how time flies....sigh.. Hows Ong?