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    Non-Killie - Mysterious spawn... name that fry!

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    I can hear some of you saying, "oh no... not another spawn..."

    Heh, I can't help it if my fishes are on 'extended honeymoon' and I'm not complaining! :wink:

    Yup!, it's another bunch of babies again but this time, it's a brood of... urm... 'whatchamacallit'! Serious, I don't know what it is!!

    Dear all,

    I was attempting to breed the Blue Badis that I got from Madan and had the trio in a 10gal plastic tank, with UGF and a nice bunch of Bolbitis heudelotii fern on driftwood.

    With my prior experience breeding the Scarlet Badis, I was expecting real tiny frys again and needed to beef up the infusoria/micro-organism in the breeding tank. Liquid fry No.1, microworms and BBS were dosed on alternate days, even though I didn't find any frys or observe any badis-courtship.

    Knowing I'm on a streak, I did my obligatory rounds of checking all my tanks for these young ones, and was jumping for joy when I saw tiny frys in the Badis tank, hiding under the floating frogbits and some hugging close to the substrate.

    YES!!! The badis have spawned... urm... at least that's what I thought and took lotsa fry pics.

    Looking at the big pictures on the monitor really bugged me because recalling from memory, Scarlet badis frys don't look like that!

    Gimme your 2 cents and hazard a guess...


    Frys are a tiny 2~3mm! Gravel is Lonestar and there are 7 frys in this pic... if you can find them!

    I tried using a turkey baster to retrieve the frys but they were pretty quick for it's size. Ok... I thought to myself, two can play the same game and took out my gravel siphon cleaner and vacuumed the front half of the tank.

    Since the Badis are residing inside a inverted clay pot, located at the rear half of the tank, I decided not to vacuum around there and disturb their honeymoon.

    WOW!... and here is the collection from only half a tank!! I've not counted the frys yet... anyone game to do it on behalf of tired eyes??


    This is a closer look at the frys. Some of them has reddish belly... probably from a good meal of BBS.

    Frys are slightly elongated, which is normal... even discus frys aren't round at birth.


    This side profile was shot through a take-away plastic container and this was when I started having doubts...

    Rashid, you've previously bred the Blue Badis... so do the frys look like this?? Scarlet badis are similar in morphology and I was expecting some resemblance. Scarlet pics found here in an earlier thread and they look completely different from what I have now.

    I returned to the Badis tank, sitting there stumped, when a school of Dwarf otocinclus ( Otocinclus affinis ) casually swam past me.

    HEY!! Don't tell me it's Oto frys!! . Then I remembered that I have at least 4 resident Otos in most of my tanks to take care of the algae.

    If you look at the various Otocinclus affinis pics on the web, there is striking black marking/spot at the base of the caudal fin (tail-fin).

    At this point, I'll just refrain from saying that these are Oto frys and it's anybody's guess.

    Benny, if you're reading this, I know you've taken pics of fancy Otos and would like to know what you think. Rashid, any comments?

    Heck! if anyone knows, pray tell... I'd appreciate it just the same.
    I'm back & keeping 'em fingers wet,
    Ronnie Lee

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    Ronnie,

    It's almost impossible to identify fry with just our naked eyes but I think yours could possibly be Otos. I have often wondered why, given the fact that almost all planted tank hobbyists keep them in their tanks, I have never read of anyone breeding Otos. Maybe you're the first. You must be feeding viagra to the fish

    Anyway, if they really turn out to be Otos, I will try and breed them also. They are very useful fish.

    Loh K L

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    Kwek Leong, it's anybody's guess as to what they are and since there's only Blue Badis and Otos in the tank, it can only be either.

    I would be very very pleased if these are Oto frys and may eventually move the Blue Badis to another tank, in case the badis predates on them.

    Google returned a few hits with text search "breeding Otocinclus affinis", and no... I'm not the first either :wink:

    No viagra, but generous amount of BBS, tubifex, boiled pea and microwaved cucumber.

    Personally, I like otos and try to have them in every tank. Now I wonder how my Corydoras pygmaeus are doing...
    I'm back & keeping 'em fingers wet,
    Ronnie Lee

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    Hi Ronnie,
    I looked at the pics of the fry that you have posted , it looks very much like the Badis Badis fry.
    Well the pair that you got from Madan may well be the breding pair that i had.The fry have a rather interesing body shape with a rather huge head.

    Have fun with them. But the only bugging aspect of this fish is that they grow really slow almost dead slow.

    Regards
    Adip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aquadip2000
    The fry have a rather interesing body shape with a rather huge head.

    Have fun with them. But the only bugging aspect of this fish is that they grow really slow almost dead slow.
    Adip, don't all badis from the Badidae family share the same morphology or body form? The only thing I could relate the frys back to the badis is that black line, running from the mouth and through the eyes. However, I don't recall the parents having a black or prominent marking at the tail.

    If it indeed is a Blue badis fry, you're correct in your description... it's got a huge head, so different from a Scarlet badis fry...


    BTW, the parents don't seem to bother with fry care ie. they don't herd their youngs or shift them to another location, like some cichlids do. What's your observation when you had the pair?

    Could you expand on why you said that their growth rate is dead slow? IMHO, nothing grows slower than some Aphysomenions, like the BIT Lagos!
    I'm back & keeping 'em fingers wet,
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    Hi Ronnie,
    Well to be speaking frankly the badis badis was the first of the badidae family that i bred so dont know much about other badis.
    When the badis bred at my place , i too was suprised at the peculiar shape of the fry. The parents do care for the fry but thats at a stage when they are much smaller than the pics which you have taken. They usually breed in a pot or a dark hole of some sort where the eggs are mostly unseen.
    Thats why we are taken by suprise when the fry emerge from nowhere.

    The only way to know that the badis has bred is when you dont see the male for a week or two.
    Well to speak about the growth i found this fish to be really slow in growth and i cant compare it with the Aphysomenions as i have never had them.
    Well you can perhaps keep me updated about their growth in your place should be interesting.

    Happy fishing :P
    Regards
    Adip

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    Ronnie,
    From previous spawn of blue badis... my bet is on the badis,.... hehehehe

    also manage to surf the net and got some of the oto frys and here they are... so you judge...ok.. pix taken from a ...hmmm I do not know which country but here it is and another one.....
    courtesy from this website... I think it's Polish, correct me if I am wrong...
    http://www.akwarium.org.pl/galeria/a...affinis_2.html
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    Frys...

    After carefull looking and frowning and inspection .... I am pretty sure yours are the badis.... hehehe sorry to dissapoint you brother, Badis they'll turn up to be...

    But you'll never know... miracles can happen....

    and if that really happens... heheheh Ronnie you might want to watch out your survellance camera every now and then ( you know what I mean).. hahahahahha
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    Hi Ronnie,

    Saw this a bit late...

    Anyway, I have no experience with fries, so I can't really tell if it's oto fries or not.

    Whatever it is, it's sure nice to have fries in your tank. And the pictures are great!

    Do let us know that they turn out to be.

    Cheers,

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    Quote Originally Posted by benny
    Anyway, I have no experience with fries, so I can't really tell if it's otos fries or not. Do let us know that they turn out to be.
    Benny, oto fry they didn't turn out to be... it's Blue badis badis!


    Here's the drastic difference between the two badis'es (plural??)... Blue and Scarlet. Bigger pic here.


    Daddy Blue Badis

    The Aplochelius panchax (Blue panchax) fry is at top.

    oh well... think I need to work on the otos eh. :wink:
    I'm back & keeping 'em fingers wet,
    Ronnie Lee

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