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    Hi, fellas,

    I will be in Bangkok from the 25th (Christmas Day) to the 28th of December. It will be just a short trip and my wife and younger daughter will be going with me. Actually, air tickets were all sold out but I managed to find an agency that has 3 spare tickets.

    I will be meeting up with my Thai friends, Oil, Nid, Nonn and Akgarat. If you have something to pass to any of them, I can bring it there for you. Alternatively, if they have something for you, I can also bring it back to Singapore for you.

    Let me know if you want to trade some killifish eggs with the guys in Thailand.

    Loh K L

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    KL, what species are our Thai counterparts maintaining? I'm pretty interested in obtaining eggs of Micromoema xiphophora, that is if Nonn still maintains them.
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    Jianyang,

    The guys in Thailand don't have many species of killies. Oil, Nid and Akgarat are in fact asking us for many species of killifish and eggs. As for Nonn, he doesn't keep any killies now. He's into wild Bettas these days. I will, however, check with them when I'm there whether the eggs you want are available.

    What sort of fish is it anyway? I have never heard of Micromoema xiphophora.

    Loh K L

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    KL, isn't Nonn the chap who drove all the way to Chantaburi province to search for the Betta prima ?
    why I don't do garden hybrids and aquarium strains: natural species is a history of Nature, while hybrids are just the whims of Man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hwchoy
    KL, isn't Nonn the chap who drove all the way to Chantaburi province to search for the Betta prima ?
    Hmm, I'm not too sure about that, Choy. But I know Nonn keeps a lot of wild and rare Bettas because quite a few guys in Singapore have asked me to help them buy these fish from him. In an effort to help one of them, I once asked Nonn if he was willing to sell his rare fish. Nonn said he won't sell, not even if he's offered a thousand US dollars. But in the same breath, he also said he's willing to give the fish away for free to hobbyists who know how and truly want to breed them.

    By the way, Nonn is also the editor of a Thai fish magazine called AQUA.

    Loh K L

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    Welcome you, Loh. Thanks for giving us chance to bring you around
    Please take care youself and preparing for the cold weather in Thailand.
    It is getting cold here, so you, your wife and your daughter better bring some jacket.

    Quote Originally Posted by hwchoy
    KL, isn't Nonn the chap who drove all the way to Chantaburi province to search for the Betta prima ?
    Yes, Choy, that's him. He always looking for the place he can catch some fishes, especially betta, and take the photo.

    *removed*
    Keep trying!!

    K. Sitthiprasert

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    Hi all, this is Nonn

    Hmm..yeah I'm to one who drove to Chantaburi to find Betta prima, also the one who drove to Narathiwat to see Betta pi type locality and the one who went all over the place for fish watching

    Sorry guy, it is ashame but Loh is correct. I no longer keep that many killies as I used to. I find Betta more interesting since they are my native species. Many of them need a lot of help to save them from exticntion. I and my friends keep and breed many native wild Betta which we give away to those who we feel comfortable. I will give some B. sp. Mahachai and B. simplex to Loh to bring back to Singapore. I hope you guys will help us keep them going. Both Betta have very small and specialized distribution rank. B. simplex is in IUCN redlist as well.

    Tony Pinto and Nonn is not the same person, btw.

    Looking forward to show you around what is probably the largest Fish Market in the world, Loh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nonn
    Sorry guy, it is ashame but Loh is correct. I no longer keep that many killies as I used to.
    Nothing to be ashamed about, Nonn. It's perfectly natural for a fish lover to have many interests. As long as you don't keep LuoHans, we won't hold anything against you

    I will give some B. sp. Mahachai and B. simplex to Loh to bring back to Singapore. I hope you guys will help us keep them going. Both Betta have very small and specialized distribution rank. B. simplex is in IUCN redlist as well.
    Oh no, just when I want to cut down the number of tanks in my house. But how I can resist such a good offer? :wink: I will set up a few tanks before I leave.

    Tony Pinto and Nonn is not the same person, btw.
    I don't remember ever telling Oil that you and Tony are one and the same person. I'm quite sure I will meet up with Tony Pinto one day. He was with Madan when they went collecting wild killies. It's a small world really. William Shennefelt who wrote me the other day also said Tony Pinto is his friend.

    Looking forward to show you around what is probably the largest Fish Market in the world, Loh.
    I'm looking forward to the trip too. I've heard so much about Jatujak I have to go and see it myself.

    Loh K L

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    Quote Originally Posted by timebomb
    I don't remember ever telling Oil that you and Tony are one and the same person. I'm quite sure I will meet up with Tony Pinto one day. He was with Madan when they went collecting wild killies. It's a small world really. William Shennefelt who wrote me the other day also said Tony Pinto is his friend.
    Sorry, that was my wrong, came from my weak skill on English language. I think better spend more time to learn before post or reply here.
    Keep trying!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nonn
    Hi all, this is Nonn

    Hmm..yeah I'm to one who drove to Chantaburi to find Betta prima, also the one who drove to Narathiwat to see Betta pi type locality and the one who went all over the place for fish watching

    Sorry guy, it is ashame but Loh is correct. I no longer keep that many killies as I used to. I find Betta more interesting since they are my native species. Many of them need a lot of help to save them from exticntion. I and my friends keep and breed many native wild Betta which we give away to those who we feel comfortable. I will give some B. sp. Mahachai and B. simplex to Loh to bring back to Singapore. I hope you guys will help us keep them going. Both Betta have very small and specialized distribution rank. B. simplex is in IUCN redlist as well.

    Tony Pinto and Nonn is not the same person, btw.

    Looking forward to show you around what is probably the largest Fish Market in the world, Loh.
    Nonn, Thailand is a lovely country, truly. And the vegetation is different enough from Singapore and Malaysia that it offers a novelty.

    When I trained with the armed forces I was in Ratchaburi (about 10km from the town of Ratchaburi) for 5 weeks. There was a pond in the compound that we used as a water source to wash our heavy equipment. Whenever we scoop water with a pail, we'd get a lot of fishes, in particular I noticed a slim, long-bodied betta, grey-brown in colour, plus lots of aquatic plants. At first we'd tried to throw the fishes back into the pond, but eventually we gave up and just washed the equipment down with the water and left the fishes to bake in the sun

    any idea what kind of betta that might be?

    lovely Ratchaburi

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    If it is a Betta then it is a Betta splendens. However, Bettas are rarely that abandant,the fish you are talking about is most likely be the Trichopsis vittatus (Croaking Gouramies). The most abandant small Betta-like fish in Thailand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nonn
    If it is a Betta then it is a Betta splendens. However, Bettas are rarely that abandant,the fish you are talking about is most likely be the Trichopsis vittatus (Croaking Gouramies). The most abandant small Betta-like fish in Thailand.
    No the body shape is not like the splendens. I still remember the shape because I once had a fighting fish given to me by a Malaysian relative and the fish from Ratchaburi looked similar in shape.

    I looked through the IBC list and the closest resemblance is Betta bellica. I note that it is from the Selangor swamps and also occur in Thailand. Would B. bellica be common in Ratchaburi? BTW this is in 1981, how's the development in Ratchaburi? Still very rural?
    why I don't do garden hybrids and aquarium strains: natural species is a history of Nature, while hybrids are just the whims of Man.
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    Choy,

    There are a lot of mistake in the IBC-SMP website. I wrote to them several times but they never fix it. One of the wrong information given is that we never have B. bellica in Thailand. They are in Malaysia. It can't be B. bellica in Rachaburi.

    The real wild B. splendens and the so called "fighting fish" is a whole different fish. They are very much ALTERED by human selective breeding. I'm still guite sure that the only species of Betta that can be found in Rachaburi province is B. spledens, if it is slimmer than you ideal Betta then they are Trichopsis vittatus.

    Rachaburi in 1980 should be a lot different than it is today.

    Nonn

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    Nonn, I have the same complains about FishBase, especially their pics! Unfortunately these websites are probably maintained by administrator who are not aquarists and can't tell dorsal from ventral. Not their fault though, but there you have it.

    Precisely why I am collecting fish pics with a very conservative annotation policy.

    As for Ratchaburi, only couple years back I heard those twin teenage brothers from Burma attacking that hospital! I believe that's the very same hospital we used when we had snake bites during training. So I imagine the pace of development might not have been quite so rapid given it is quite near to the border. In 1981, I noted two main kinds of shops in Ratchaburi town, one sells jeans while the other sells guns!
    why I don't do garden hybrids and aquarium strains: natural species is a history of Nature, while hybrids are just the whims of Man.
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    Rachaburi by herself is ok. She is going through a slow pace of development, which in my opinion, better than the fast one that people cannot cope with. However at the other side of the border, I don't think they have changed much over the year, thus they cross the line and do something strange quite often.

    I'm also collecting a lot of fish pictures, espeacially Thai's to hopefully publish a good Thailand fish guide

    How do I insert image in to my reply? I can see a little botton up there saying "Img*" but it don't do much at all......[/img]

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    upload your image to a site, get the URL, insert the URL in between the {IMG} and {/IMG} tags, but replace { and } with [ and ] for real. Or you could press the IMG button (which basically inserts the tag for you), put in the URL, and press the IMG button again (notice this time the button has a *.

    you can also "quote" my entry with the Ratchaburi pics to see how it is done.
    why I don't do garden hybrids and aquarium strains: natural species is a history of Nature, while hybrids are just the whims of Man.
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    Hi, fellas,

    I just got home. The flight was delayed by about an hour. It's been a long day and I have to unpack the fish so this will be a short post.

    I brought home a few species of fish I haven't seen in Singapore before, one of which is the Oryzias minutilus. I got 50 of them. Too bad there weren't any killies in Jatujak.

    Many many thanks to all my friends in Bangkok - Nid, Oil, Bia, Akgarat, Nonn and his lovely wife Tuang who made my stay an unforgettable one.

    I will let you all know more about my trip and the fish I brought home tomorrow.

    Loh K L

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    Nonn, I have the same complains about FishBase, especially their pics! Unfortunately these websites are probably maintained by administrator who are not aquarists and can't tell dorsal from ventral.
    Choy, I believe you are very wrong in your impression of the administrators of FishBase. They are certainly not just aquarists but they are ichthyologists too. In fact, alot of their species coordinators and people who input information to the database are experts on the species groups like Dr Jean Huber, who happens to specialise in killies. In saying this you are discrediting the information these people give. I believe they deserve more credit.

    Here's a description of a link to FishBase.org as given by the people at Killi-Data.org
    THE DATA BASE ON ALL FISHES

    Produced by an international team of ichthyologists, led by Rainer Froese and Daniel Pauly,
    based in Manila, Philippines.
    Commissioned by the European Union.
    Aims to forward all available information on all taxa of fishes.
    Eschmeyer's catalogue is also included, with some delay though, as well as many Museums' data bases of collections.
    Quality standards depend on each family of fishes: for oviparous Cyprinodonts, electronic files of Killi-Data 1996 were forwarded. Language: English. Target: ichthyologists and biologists.
    As to the quality of their pictures, I guess they do need to do some work in getting better and more pictures or drawings. Perhaps you could contribute your photos to the database? That would be a good amount of help to the database.
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    The fishbase team are professional scientist no doubt, however the kind of mistakes made (spelling mistakes of species, transposition of long and latitudes, etc) are certainly made during input of data. It is likely the data updates are not done by the scientists themselves. I must clarify that when I said "these websites" I am not referring to just FishBase, but a general statement. I apologise for any unintended slight.

    I have contributed quite a number of pictures to them, especially those of southeast asian origin. The Rasbora vulcanus for example, having being described in 1999 by Tan Heok Hui, was never entered into the database until I gave them the picture in 2002, thus forcing the entry to be updated. :wink: You will find me under the collaborator list (frankly a bit mah loo lah, all I do is take fish pics )

    I rely strongly on Fishbase's scientific info in researching my annotation for my pics, but still I do a lot of cross-referencing on the web and other available information sources. In fact I am hoping that members of this forum will assist me on killifish aspects in terms of giving access to fishes, pics, and scientific data (e.g. definitive collecting locality, species varieties, etc). :wink: :wink: :wink:

    I have a very coservative annotation policy, that's why you see me going on and on about that medaka fish. I am here in this forum because killifish breeders are probably the most fanatical people in terms of ensuring accuracy of information (e.g. collecting codes). I am here for the expertise and the passion.
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