Reply With QuoteBeautiful!! With great colours
Here's a pic from Chuck Nishihira, Ronnie and gang,
Chuck hopes to find more that will better display the brilliant neon-blue
of these fish. :wink:
Beautiful!! With great colours
Adrian Phoon
Notice the brilliant yellow in the tail? Give them a patch of light near some plants or a spawning site and in time they should come out and dance there. The blue will really show up then!
tt4n
Bill,
Can't wait to see more pics!! <drool>
Meanwhile... the eggs arrived Sep 8th.
8 eggs x 2 pkts - collected Aug 24th
12 eggs x 1 pkt - collected Aug 24th
12 eggs x 1 pkt - collected Aug 27th
Can't really see 'em eggs. D*mn, I need new glasses!
Packets marked (1)~(4) and dunked in separate containers.
As I wanted to check readily on the embryol development, eggs were sorted out with a baster, into another set of "Egg Trays". There might be a couple more eggs hidden in the peat but whatever I can find, are indicated on squarish labels (at left of container).
Just prior to post, 3 fry were transferred from "Egg Tray (3)" to grow-out container. Egg-sac still evident but I added a light squirt of 'live-concoction' anyway (microworms, daphnia & paramecium). Ramhorn snails will have to wait till fry are free-swimming.
Kwek Leong, as these were non-annuals, I couldn't wait for you to respond to my call for packet collection, so I dunked them. You can pick up the fry when they're stable.
Further updates will follow.
I'm back & keeping 'em fingers wet,
Ronnie Lee
Wow, Ron, fry already! Good thing you dunked them :wink: You are correct that they are slow to mature. To light up the electric blue it is
best to have some good side lighting: I have the tank mine are in, across
from north and east windows. They give me quite a show at sunrise!
These are undemanding easy keepers that should like SG's soft water.
Ronnie,
I'll drop by your place this Saturday to pick up some fry from you. The fish is beautiful.
Bill, many thanks for sending the eggs. We owe you big time.
Loh K L
Bill, I dunked them based on my experiments with N'sukka eggs-in-mop, incubated damp in a plastic bag without water, for 2 weeks. That's pretty darn close to the Sakbayeme's incubation in peat (Aug 24th~Sep 8th).Originally Posted by farang9
Wow, Ron, fry already! Good thing you dunked them :wink: You are correct that they are slow to mature. To light up the electric blue it is
best to have some good side lighting: I have the tank mine are in, across
from north and east windows. They give me quite a show at sunrise!
These are undemanding easy keepers that should like SG's soft water.
My gut feeling tells me that growth rate and maturity, is close to the primigenium, striatum, xiphidius and exigoideum, which is too d*mn slow! I'll ball-park ready-to-spawn time frame in about 8 months (unless your observation/experience say otherwise)
Kwek Leong, I've been wanting to ask if you know of any experienced fish-keeper, be him/her a member of this forum or not, to co-raise the Sakbayeme. We really need to spread out the risks and I'm willing to do a 3~4 way distribution.
Fry raised in different water parameters may (or may not) give rise to balanced sex ratios, which we need. Disease is another concern (I've a recent batch of Goa Killies that were hit with the 'come-in-the-anus' worm and have destroyed them... )
Guys, I'd like to hear your suggestions.
Fellow local forumers who feel they're up to the task, are welcomed to participate (subjected to fry availability, and Bill & Kwek Leong's approval, of course).
KL, if we have more eggs than fry this Saturday, you'll have to take some unhatched ones too, which may not be a bad idea as the juggling on the way home works like 'forced-hatching'.
I'm back & keeping 'em fingers wet,
Ronnie Lee
Feed the fish with a food mix with added fresh garlic. Go see: http://www.thebomb.clara.co.uk/paste.html for a good food recipe.Fry raised in different water parameters may (or may not) give rise to balanced sex ratios, which we need. Disease is another concern (I've a recent batch of Goa Killies that were hit with the 'come-in-the-anus' worm and have destroyed them... )
Keep the fish cool in soft water. Feed well, do lots of water changes (50% per day) and you should do well. You should get mature fish in about 6 months.
good luck
Ron, that should be spot-on for timing.Bill, I dunked them based on my experiments with N'sukka eggs-in-mop, incubated damp in a plastic bag without water, for 2 weeks. That's pretty darn close to the Sakbayeme's incubation in peat (Aug 24th~Sep 8th).
Nope, 8 months is about right. Tyrone's feeding regimen and water changing would enhance the growth. I changed water every other dayMy gut feeling tells me that growth rate and maturity, is close to the primigenium, striatum, xiphidius and exigoideum, which is too d*mn slow! I'll ball-park ready-to-spawn time frame in about 8 months (unless your observation/experience say otherwise)
and didn't feed garlic (no vampires in my area) They like soft acid
water (my tapwater is medium hard, combined hardness is 14). I'm thinking you guys will have very good luck raising these. :wink:
Ronnie, it is yours and KL's discretion on these, not mine. That's SOP on anything I send over :wink:Fellow local forumers who feel they're up to the task, are welcomed to participate (subjected to fry availability, and Bill & Kwek Leong's approval, of course).
Cool idea!KL, if we have more eggs than fry this Saturday, you'll have to take some unhatched ones too, which may not be a bad idea as the juggling on the way home works like 'forced-hatching'.
Good luck, fellas!
Bill, a quick update;
Egg-Tray (1) 8/pkt - Found 6 eggs
090410 x 2 fry
Egg-Tray (2) 8/pkt - Found 7 eggs
040910 x 3 fry
Egg-Tray (3) 12/pkt - Found 13 eggs
040909 x 3 fry (KO'ed)
040910 x 7 fry
Egg-Tray (4) 12/pkt - Found 11 eggs
No fry as yet
The earlier fry from 'Tray (3)' didn't make it and wasn't free-swimming the last time I looked (premature hatch perhaps?). Still checking on cause but until I know why, the new found fry were transferred into 'Grow-Out Tray (2)'.
More pics uploaded to the A. amoenum 'Sakbayeme' album.
I'm back & keeping 'em fingers wet,
Ronnie Lee
Tyrone, have you personally used the recipe to good effect? I did a similar mix several years ago, but using dried shrimp mixed with Tetrabits and some flakefood. Mashed everything using a stone pounder with a plastic wrap over it and mixed it with water. The fishes loved it. Back then I didn't have killies but my fishes (tetras and the like), ate it with gusto.
Ron, I look forward to seeing little AMO Sakbayeme growing up in your tanks several weeks from now.
Fish.. Simply Irresistable
Back to Killies... slowly.
Gosh, Ron, 12 fry already! That's great! The first 3 were probably premies,
that's the breaks. Nice gallery you got going for these fish...what's the
floating plant in tray 2B? Curious, nice floater and will provide protection
of smaller fry from bigger fry :wink:
Chuck has to hook up an old computer to download the photos I mentioned
--Hope to hear from him soon!
Bill,
If it's possible, I'd like to write up a pictoral where we're talking about the next generation but...
meanwhile,
As mention in the gertrudae and Sun-bathing Betta thread, you've got some heading your way. Have fun with 'em.
I'll be waiting patiently for more of Chuck's images and do thank him on our behalf, for sharing them in the forum.
I'm back & keeping 'em fingers wet,
Ronnie Lee
Umm, dumkin Bill kinda glossed over the sunbathing betta postAs mention in the gertrudae and Sun-bathing Betta thread, you've got some heading your way. Have fun with 'em.You're sending 3 packets of 25 eggs each?
Won't I be, as the Texans say 'all broke out' in rainbows? I could split those with Wright, but I may not have enough time to bounce them back to the Left Coast before they hatch out. The floater is way cool, looks like salvinia gigantia
Ronnie, for S's and G's (sh*ts and giggles) could you do a TDS reading
on your rainbow tank? Thanks.
The SAA order will soon be on its way :wink:
I'll contact Chuck this weekend.I'll be waiting patiently for more of Chuck's images and do thank him on our behalf, for sharing them in the forum.
Also want to thank Edwin Hartle of Indiana whom I got the eggs from, who sent an extra 24 eggs! That windfall was due to a buyer that didn't supply him with an addressI'm currently conditioning one of my pairs to Eddies' specs and hope to have some eggs. I've gotten 5 teenagers using the permanent planted tank method, but Chuck Nishihira needs some females (lost all of his when he visited Peru recently).
Bill, you read correct. Two bags of 25's each collected Sept 2nd and one bag of 25's collected Sept 6th. A total of 75 eggs and it's a case of 'the more the merrier'. You should know how I hate those bag of 12's, where chances are I'll end up with a single fryUmm, dumkin Bill kinda glossed over the sunbathing betta postGimme your feedback when the package arrives... it's part of a write-up I'm planning in the pipeline.
You don't have to bounce 'em around. Wright has his gertrudae's and floaters on the way too :wink: [I sent out his package at 4am, while the PO was closed. How could that be?... more on that later]Won't I be, as the Texans say 'all broke out' in rainbows? I could split those with Wright
TDSRonnie, for S's and G's (sh*ts and giggles) could you do a TDS reading on your rainbow tank?Whatzzat
If Edwin and Chuck are reading this, my thanks for healthy eggs and great images.
Bill, I owe you big time for rigging up the SAA order, plus the other times I bugged you... let's see how we can even the score. Anyway, twiddling with annuals will be like going back to 'the good 'ol days' when I first started with killies. Have to say I like Aphyosemions better :wink:
I'm back & keeping 'em fingers wet,
Ronnie Lee
Hi StormhawkTyrone, have you personally used the recipe to good effect? I did a similar mix several years ago, but using dried shrimp mixed with Tetrabits and some flakefood. Mashed everything using a stone pounder with a plastic wrap over it and mixed it with water. The fishes loved it. Back then I didn't have killies but my fishes (tetras and the like), ate it with gusto.
I have not personally used it but I was using beef heart with garlic (as used for baby discus) and al the fish took it even the more picky eaters like N. sp. aff melanospilus. Garlic makes any food irresistable...
tt4n
Since Wright is the one that got a bunch of us AKA'ers to buy the HannaRonnie, for S's and G's (sh*ts and giggles) could you do a TDS reading on your rainbow tank? TDS
TDS meter when it was offered for $14.95, I'm gonna let him explain the
benefits: "A TDS meter is your most important diagnostic instrument in
discerning what is going on in your tankwater" maybe not verbatim, but that's the gist of it :wink: [* See footnote]
Tyrone, you got me sold on trying garlic and beefheart!
Gotta get ready for work, take care, guys!
[*] Suggested reading:
Total dissolved solids revisited-- tds and test-kit comments
Actually... I would feed beef heart willy-nilly. I only found it of use on Nothos and tropical fish (i.e. fish that like 30°C). I do not suggest it for Aphyosemion types.
Nothos live short so no-one will cry if they loose a week or 6 being fed beef heart...
I can recommend garlic for everyone.
tt4n
Hi folks, got more pics from Chuck!
I think the pictures will explain my rapture for them. When Chuck offered
these on Aquabid in 2002, I just had to have them!
To quote by silly self:
Read: I would not feed beef hear willy-nilly.Actually... I would feed beef heart willy-nilly.
sorry for the confusion. I'm stupid.
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