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Thread: Quite the interesting moss

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    Ah .. it came on automatically ! Yaaaayyy ... Mr Loh, kindly ignore the PM I sent you then.

    Thanks !

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    Mr Loh,

    Is it alright if you take a picture(s) of the moss that Tony gave you? I'm interested in how it progresses in your tank.

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    Sure, Randall. Here's a picture of the Fissidens fontanus.



    As you can see, Tony grows the moss much better than I do. I was concerned that the moss may die in my tanks so after the professor examined the plant, I gave a strand of it each to 3 fish shops in Singapore. They are Bioplast, Mermaid World and Gen X. These 3 shops specialise in mosses and I'm sure that over time, they will grow enough of it to sell to local hobbyists.

    Marge, I'm glad you signed off with your real name. Hope the Downoi and mosses I sent grow well for you. But hey, come on, show us a picture. It's the least you should do after what I've done for you

    Loh K L

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    This moss does NOT have those little "root hairs" along the frond. If you look at the close up picture, it has what looks like "roots at the base". This kinda leads to "creeping" type of spreading similar to a foreground plant rather than a traditional moss. might be why it is hard to propogate.

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    Tony,
    The driftwood these spores came in on, was it locally collected? I can see
    a bunch of us getting on a bus and stripmining the area for driftwood LOL.

    You must've been awfully surprised when it presented itself

    Thanks for sharing, and good luck in the contest,

    Bill

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    Tony, if that's the case then it must have a primitive rhizome, probably a very very small and short version.

    I have a theory that since yours appeared from spores that may have came along with the driftwood, it might be more better to try to insert it into cracks on the surface of the driftwood, rather than tying it down like the traditional method of attaching mosses to driftwood.

    It does look more like a fern than a moss. The one plant that may resemble it closely would be Ceratopteris siliquosa.
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    Mr Loh

    The day that I can get my hands on a digital camera, trust me, I will take several pictures of it ... the moss is doing well and slow just like the Downoi, which is strange but hey ... I am not complaining much.

    You have done a lot for me, kam siah!

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    Tony

    Those moses are just adowable! Keep sending pictures please!

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    I am constantly getting PMs and emails about sending people this moss. At this time, I am not going to send any off for various reasons. In the future, I will spread it around and till post in this thread when that time comes.


    On a side note, Loh, any luck on growing it or it re-attaching?

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    Kwek Leong & Tony,
    If I'm may be allowed to a strand of that Fissidens fontanus, I'd like to try growing it emersed and see if their growth rate is any better than fully submerged.

    I must admit that moss walls ellude me but as far as emersed/terrestrial plants are concerned, my thumbs do have a green tinge, albeit slight

    Instead of other fancy moss, I'd like to share some pics of what Kwek Leong calls "Taiwan Mini Moss", which I almost killed from neglect.

    The mini-moss was nearly 'browned-out' when a friend helped tie the remains to a driftwood. Using methods I derived from green houses, the moss was revived and now looks much better than I could have grown it submerged.



    So either of you game?
    I'm back & keeping 'em fingers wet,
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    Wow !

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonWill
    So either of you game?
    Ronnie, what I gave you are Taiwan Moss and not Taiwan Mini Moss. The Mini name is only used when people want to add "value" to their mosses

    I have only a bit of the Fissidens fontanus so you will have to wait a while before I can give you some to try with your greenhouse method.

    Loh K L

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    So I'm curious Gomer,

    was this driftwood with the spores something collected from a local lake, or was it something you got from a woodlands, and soaked? I'm wondering if this IS some sort of fern, capable of an immersed form, as well as an emergent form. From your description, it does sound more fern-like. Fascinating stuff!

    This makes me want to go out and experiment with terrestrial mosses and similar things in this area. Are you in Southern or Northern California? I wonder if your climate (and hence the spores) undergo any freezing weather.

    At some point, it would be interesting trying to grow it emersed (I think the lady with the greenhouse experience was alluding to that).

    Very cool looking! And it serves as a lesson, too - not to scrub that driftwood TOO well - you never know what sort of treasure might show up, LOL!

    Thanks for all the great picts in this post!
    -Jane

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    Hey Tony,

    any updates on an ID for this? Are you thinking its a moss, or some sort of fern (with a rudimentary rhizome)?

    I'm really curious about an ID.

    Thanks,
    Jane

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jane of Upton
    I'm really curious about an ID.
    Jane, the moss has already been identified several months ago as Fissidens fontanus. You can read the complete post here.

    In Singapore now, several fish shops are selling this moss.

    Loh K L

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    I just joined this forum to give a little information on a moss I collected in the wild which I believe to be the same moss Gomer has, Fissidens Fontanus. I collected this moss in kentucky, growing submerged on tree roots. I am very familiar with this creek, and the moss has been submerged for over two months. The moss covers all of the roots of a very large tree in a fast moving deep part of the creek. The moss extends from the top of the water several feet down. There are also smaller patches growing in the clay creek banks, also submerged. The creek water is of the highest quality, crystal clear. The water temperature here varies greatly from freezing to near 80º F in the summer. The water is pretty hard because of all the limestone we have here. The moss is in a very difficult place to obtain it, and the water is very cold right now. I hope to take pictures of the moss in my tank and in the wild soon, however my digital camera is cheap and the photos will likely be poor quality. This moss is very slow growing and hard to find, two months of searching creeks.

    I hope this little bit of information is helpful

    Derek

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    Ah, thank you Mr. Loh,

    I just returned to read the updates on your forums, and was surprised to see the name Fissidens fontanus in nearly every post on this thread! I apparently missed that it had been properly identified, but you must have gone back and inserted the name in places where it had been referred to as "moss". At least, I hope you did, *chuckle*, otherwise I read many, many occurances of the name without realizing it WAS the name.

    And thank you for the link to the stories of so many mosses identified from around the globe.

    I've taken to collecting small bits of moss when I see it (unless it is obviously something that is from a dry terrestrial environment, and unlikely to grow submerged) and experimenting with growing these bits submerged.

    So I understand that the driftwood Tony obtained was not originally from California, but from Louisiana! Gosh, things travel so much. I'm sure it makes the identification that much more difficult.

    This has been an interesting thread!
    -Jane

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    Jane,

    I don't know if Tony is aware of this but the Fissidens fontanus he sent me has now become widespread in Singapore. When I got the moss from him, it didn't do well in my tank. So after the professor identified it, I gave the moss to 3 local fish shops. 2 has since went out of business but Bioplast fish shop is still around.

    I've heard a hobbyist bought some of the F. fontanus from Bioplast and it seems he's very successful at growing this moss. So successful, in fact, he has become a supplier. Quite a few local fish shops are selling the F. fontanus now and they are often sold tied to driftwoods. The prices are a bit exhorbitant but over time, I'm sure they will come down. Take a look at this thread if you want to see pictures of the moss.

    Tony would probably kick himself when he finds out how much the moss he gave to me for free is going for in our fish shops I've been kicking myself too

    Loh K L

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