Diapteron

[keehoe]

Ron, my punishment is on the way. While you working on elberti, i will be zaping photo on my incoming Diapteron CYA. (Dead or Alive)

Should be touching down tomorrow or the day after. I am quite confidence in that as the weather were kind these few days.

Got some Seachem Acid buffer. According to the instruction, it is suppose to soften the water by converting GH into CO2. Any opinion?

[RonWill]

...my punishment is on the way. While you working on elberti, i will be zaping photo on my incoming Diapteron CYA

Both the elberti and diapteron are tough challenges, especially without chillers. So when we get frustrated in our efforts, we can kick each other's butts!

About 'Acid Buffer', I used it to lower pH in my Betta macrostoma tank (these were already acclimatized to pH4.0 when I received them). What it does chemistry-wise, sorry, no idea.

[keehoe]

Ron, the difference is I got a chiller

Got mine for 250 SGD, 4 months old second hand, relatively quiet (i don't notice it were on) unless i walk pass it. Can feel a bit of heat when i walk pass it.

I was told that it is an over kill for my 4 feet x 1 feet tank. But i am using it on a much smaller styrofoam box. Which means it would be off most of the time.

Any good design for making use of it in multiple tank?

[stormhawk]

Unless you use a flow-through system with multiple dividers (either permanent or non-permanent) in a single tank, you can't maximise the usage of the chiller. Using it on a single styrofoam box is a little wasted isn't it?

A chiller would be what Ron needs for his main rack I guess, or the tanks in the study.

[keehoe]

Yah, I am trying to keep the running cost low. Guess what, operator just inform me that i got a PACKAGE. So time to update census again

[stormhawk]

Haha, well let's see what appears from you. I have 2 packages myself.

[keehoe]

Mine is Diapteron: CYA a pair of about 1.5CM. So possibility of eggs would only come about 6 months time. Until then, they will sit on my electricity bill and dig the money out of my pocket. (And i gladly let them do that.)

[keehoe]

... but I won the bet.

When do you want your prize to be deliever sir?

So, I'm still the last man standing with the striatum in Singapore!

Kee Hoe, I admire your never give up attitude in aquiring the Diapteron, do you know how many kamikaze warriors before you?

Thanks Gan, So you are the one who bet against me capable of keeping the fish beyond two weeks. Mmmmmm Sorry for making you lost you bet

I think some of my tank is cursed. Every fish that went in there eventually die of un-natural death. Time to get my chlorox handy.

Actually i had place the order of Diapteron since last year. Have been waiting for this moment for more than 10months.

Put it this way:
If i have to give away all my other killie to keep this Diapteron, i will.

Does all the kamikaze warriors before me live to tell the story?
That would help me keeping the fish for the next 6 months until they are ready for spawning.

Dave, if you are reading this. Now that i have a pair, i have to go to your forum and shout out loud................HELP...

[whuntley]

Kee Hoe,

Diapterons not only need "coolth' but something that is a surprise to many is that they are often mean as all get out.

The males sometimes will even kill the females if there is not enough hiding places and plant cover.

This came as a terrible shock to me, for they are such slender little delicate-looking fish that I had no idea they could put a Betta to shame.

Wright

[keehoe]

Thanks Wright, i will becareful of that.

[turaco]

Kee Hoe,

To tell you frankly, I would love to see your Diapteron just as eager as you. The last 2 times I tried(eggs), they all disintegrated upon arrival. Some one should try hand carry! Tell us the outcome, perhaps in another tread, we got OT now.

[keehoe]

Gan, with eggs. There are too much challenge. First have to ensure they don't melt on their way to Singapore. After that hatching them is another challenge. Once they hatch, the water condition outside might be health hazard to them.

With fish, i only have to make sure the stay alive and eating. PH were adjusted to 5.8. They are not heavy feeder which means don't have to change water so often.

Tap water run through carbon filter and PH adjusted to 5.8. Kept them alive for more than 24hours by now. So their chance of survival is quite high.

This morning forgot to cover my EXO tank. Just now came home realise both of them jump out...... to the outer styrofoam box. They seems happy there.

So one note to be taken, if no cover 100% of EXO will jump.

[RonWill]

Kee Hoe,
There are greater risks with cool-water killie eggs but if packed in breather bags and well insulated in foam box during shipping, the eggs can hatch. I learnt the hard way, that fry are sensitive to hot spells and really need clean water.

If you're game for really low maintenance, give the MattenFilter a thought but make sure that the biofilter is cycled proper. I'm crossing my fingers for your CYA.

So one note to be taken, if no cover 100% of EXO will jump.

Yes, I know that and you can jump off-topic very quickly too!!

Jian Yang,
Thought you should know that the Aphyosemion cyanostictum was not listed in the Census, both at Yahoo and http://www.hexazona.com/stormhawk/census/census05.html (which isn't working BTW)

Gan,
Will you be collecting the culture tomorrow?

[keehoe]

Hi, may i suggest this to be split into another topic? Such as D.CYA?

Perhaps the following would justify for a new topic :P

[stormhawk]

As requested, the posts were split from the striatum thread. Kee Hoe, nice cyanostictum you got there. Good luck.

By any chance, do you know their location and collection code?

[Diapterondave]

Congratulations on getting Diapterons. As far as temperatures are concerned I am firmly convinced that Diapterons can and will thrive at temps in the mid 70's. My D.abacinum produced very well at 77 f. If we test the O2 content of the water we see that if we saturate the water with O2 by using some sort of Degassing filter (MattenFilter /Debryun filter etc)
It is my belief that O2 level is more important them temperature.

They are very aggressive and you better provide allot of cover for the prs. I would use a 5 gallon tank choked with mops. Keep them dark too as they do not like light. They feed best on small Moina and daphnia rather then bbs. I have found black worm/ tubifex, Moina and grindle worms to be some of the best foods for egg production. Good luck and do join the diapteron group it would be nice to share what we can learn about this fish.

[timebomb]

Nice fish, Kee Hoe. Please try your best to breed them as many hobbyists here (me included) would love to get their hands on the Diapterons.

Jianyang, good work in splitting the thread but I wonder if it's a good idea to use "KH's Diapterons" as the heading. Forum users who do not know Kee Hoe well may misunderstand it as a new population code for the fish!!

KH, in aquaria forums, has also always been known to stand for "carbonate hardness". Not trying to be picky but we don't want to confuse anyone. Is it too late to change the heading?

Loh K L

[turaco]

KH,

The fish look promising. Still in good shape.

[stormhawk]

Thread title edited as requested.

[RonWill]

If we test the O2 content of the water we see that if we saturate the water with O2 by using some sort of Degassing filter (MattenFilter /Debryun filter etc) It is my belief that O2 level is more important them temperature

Dave, I can understand if Debryun filters can raise the O² level but why MattenFilter?? Please elaborate more.

I presently have 3 24"L x 12"H x 12"W setups that utilize 'Henri/MattenFilter' combo and it would be interesting if I could go further beyond raising Endlers in them.

BTW, I think we need more KH or hard-headed fellas who're willing to take risks with Diapteron and cool-water species.

I am firmly convinced that Diapterons can and will thrive at temps in the mid 70's. My D.abacinum produced very well at 77 f

Encouraged to know that what is achievable at 77ºF / 25ºC but let me work on the TEC chiller anyway.
Temperature conversion