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    Re: Cork bark vs tree bark from Malaysia timber /logging companies

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    If you're going to utilize tree bark from the timbers of logging companies, there's a few things to ponder on.

    -Firstly, how are you going to ensure that the timber has not been treated with chemicals etc?
    -Secondly, even if the timber has not been treated, the tree bark has various 'inhabitants' in them, pests or mites etc. How are you going to clean it thoroughly and disinfect it plus are you prepared to spend the time to do all this preparation?
    -Depending on the type of timber/ wood, is the bark going to last as long as a corkbark and how will it disintigrate in the tank with all those moisture?
    -Are anchoring of plants easier on this type of bark?

    These are just a few of many questions you've to research on. In short, my personal opinion would be that the corkbark satisfy most if not all of the necessary conditions above. It's fairly long lasting plus thoroughly cleaned. A standard 3ft x 1.5ft panel cost roughly around S$40 -S$48 at most shops.

    Rather than the hassle of going through all that cleaning and knowing that the timber tree bark will disintigrate much faster, the corkbark's the safer option.

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    Re: Cork bark vs tree bark from Malaysia timber /logging companies

    Philipes,

    Do you have any cork bark to spare or sell ?

    I already have 70cm length but still not enough to fill the wall of by 6ft x 2.5ft height.

    Already decide to set up 6ft paladurium project .
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    Re: 6ft vivarium

    Yo bro

    I have decide to put up 6ft paladurium project.
    But now I'm hunting for any cheap or free cork bark if i can find. NA does sold it but too pricey for my 6 ft tank.Seaview sold too but higher than NA.

    I have 2 Jebo 828 cannisters, laguna cannister with UV light plus Atman of 3000lire /hr,3ft sump. 45kg lapis sand and 2.5 ft tall tree like bogwood

    Now still hunting for
    soil base of 10-20kg
    big rocks
    big bogwoods
    DIY overflow system for sump and laguna cannister.
    mist system

    I will put up pix and my construction of 6ft paladurium.... any one have any better idea or concept or advise to ensure my 6ft paludarium go smoothly?

    let me know your thoughts
    Last edited by eddy planer; 28th Sep 2009 at 23:50.
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    Re: Cork bark vs tree bark from Malaysia timber /logging companies

    I don't have any but you might want to try Nature Aquarium if they could sell you a smaller piece.

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    Re: 6ft vivarium

    Great to know you're finally embarking on the project. I'm sure the basics have been explained earlier in the replies. I suggest you post up a picture of ur tank and your equipements.

    Rather than just having words being exchanged here, why don't you roughly draw out a plan for it? A visual rough drawing is much better than just words. It's a better way to start of planning it whilst waiting for your other things.

    Have some picture references if you find any so it can aid you much better. Without all these visuals, the most anyone can do is just literally advising you.

    So do post up your rough sketches or picture samples/reference which you like, so we can better facilitate to your building of this paludarium. All you need is just a pencil/pen and a paper and sketch it out.

    Hope to see your plans mate.

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    Re: 6ft vivarium

    Quote Originally Posted by eddy planer View Post
    Yo bro

    I have decide to put up 6ft paladurium project.
    But now I'm hunting for any cheap or free cork bark if i can find. NA does sold it but too pricey for my 6 ft tank.Seaview sold too but higher than NA.

    I have 2 Jebo 828 cannisters, laguna cannister with UV light plus Atman of 3000lire /hr,3ft sump. 45kg lapis sand and 2.5 ft tall tree like bogwood

    Now still hunting for
    soil base of 10-20kg
    big rocks
    big bogwoods
    DIY overflow system for sump and laguna cannister.
    mist system

    I will put up pix and my construction of 6ft paladurium.... any one have any better idea or concept or advise to ensure my 6ft paludarium go smoothly?

    let me know your thoughts
    how many you need? Let me know. I might be able to help
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    Re: Cork bark vs tree bark from Malaysia timber /logging companies

    Yo Phillips

    Can I substitute Cork Bark to Fern Bark( normally use for orchid mounting)?

    I find this fern bark has excellent for moses to root in.
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    Re: Cork bark vs tree bark from Malaysia timber /logging companies

    Yes, tree fern bark panels are a much better substitute at way much cheaper costs. But do take note that it leeches the water and you'll have a dark brown tea-like coloured water.

    Are you getting them from Woon Leng?

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    Re: Cork bark vs tree bark from Malaysia timber /logging companies

    woon leng?

    where woon leng locate?

    So will it eventually back to clear water?
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    Re: Cork bark vs tree bark from Malaysia timber /logging companies

    Actually i planning to place fern bark under the cork bark...which mean fern bark will be immerse into the water whereas cork bark is above the water.

    So from this point , moss will tend to grow well on the fern bark under the water so the cork bark will be attach to land plant.
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    Re: Cork bark vs tree bark from Malaysia timber /logging companies

    Woon Leng is an orchid farm situated at
    70 Jalan Lekar S 698949, tel: (65) 67602064.

    It's just round the bend on the right hand side after Qianhu Farm if you're driving or if you take the shuttle from Choa Chu Kang mrt station.

    Call first to make sure they have stock. And since you mentioned the tree fern bark being submerged, a more generous application of silicon to the bark would ensure it staying there for a long time. As for leeching the water, it'll still continue as long as it comes into contact with water or has dripping water on it.

    If you want clear running waters, why not just tie mosses on stainless steel meshes instead and have them on the back wall?

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    Re: Cork bark vs tree bark from Malaysia timber /logging companies

    Thanks phillips

    If i add 20 panels of fern bark and immerse them...my 6x1.5 x1.5 of water will become kopi-o or tea kau! agree?

    So is there anyway to eliminate the tannins? What if i soak them for weeks with freq water change to eliminate the tannins just like the bogwood..is this possible?
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    Re: Cork bark vs tree bark from Malaysia timber /logging companies

    It's Phillipe, not Philips, Eddy.

    Doesn't matter whether you add just 1 or 20 in the water cause it will eventually leech and turn your water dark brown. No amount of soaking and changing of water will change that. I have one vivarium setup using tree fern barks running for 5 years and it still leeches out thus turning the water brownish.

    So in short, it's not possible to eradicate this leeching at all. Either you have corkbark or stainless steel mesh tied with mosses. Put it this way, why not spend a little more to get that desired look and clear waters?

    Balance of the corkbark, you could utilize them for future projects. OR instead of going flat out on the submerged back panels, why not have bogwoods instead? You could arrange it in a way that some are protuding out of the water and they'll look like root buttress projecting into the water. There's many solutions for you here.

    Regards,
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    Re: Cork bark vs tree bark from Malaysia timber /logging companies

    Thank you so much..


    I nearly buy panel of 20 fern barks. Look i need to hunt for more cork bark at least 4 ft more. if not i have to break up the cork bark into pieces and silicon one bit by bit on the 1 foot coloured background foam board and add coconut husk pieces and sphagnum moss in between the pieces of cork bark and I believe will even look more natural for the top while the rest of cork bark will be totally submerged into the water for moss to grow on it

    what do you think?
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    Re: Cork bark vs tree bark from Malaysia timber /logging companies

    That'd be another great way to go about it. And in a way you don't have to source out for so much corkbark. Also, since you're doing it in this manner, you could attach vines to fill up the blank areas and subsequently filler plants such as ferns will fill up unsightly gaps etc.

    Collect twigs, clean them thoroughly and attach them to the back wall. It'll create a more layered look increasing the visual depth.

    Post some photos mate!

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    Re: 6ft vivarium

    Can i use plywood to substitute eggcrate for this project? will it leeching like the fern bark or emit toxic if this plywood fully submerse ?
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    Re: 6ft vivarium

    plywood are different layers of different sheets of wood glued together to form a thicker piece. I am sure the glue used is toxic. i do not know how safe are the processed sheets of wood used also.

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    Re: 6ft vivarium

    For the base, DON'T use plywood as it'll eventually disintegrate and rot, emitting a foul smell PLUS it's toxic with the chemicals and glue in it. Just stick with the eggcrate, it provides better flow of water through it and it's lightweight PLUS non-toxic.

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    Re: 6ft vivarium

    Hi bros

    Actually i thought of using plywood for background, but since you guys against the idea and I'm taking your advise seriously.

    Phillipe, I'm thinking of thin mangrove straight wood (with bark of course) as the submerged background while cock bark at the top or vice vista.But I'm not too sure if this straight wood will leech. If you still skeptical , I'll try upload the pix if I get there at JM nursery at Thomson just behind Far East Flora today or if you like to accompany me (i pick you up in the west) today, (time to meet up after or before the moss seminar at Hortpark at 3pm.)

    I just bought 2ft long vine, coco fiber, hydroponic peat,aquatic compost soil, aquatic fertilizer (dark brown peat),woodchips yesterday. As for the sealants like GS, black,beige and clear silicon are ready, too.

    What I dont have :
    eggcrate
    return pump of 2800litre/hr
    more cock bark
    customized made lid glass panel
    humility maker.
    pvc gray or black piping or aquatic clear piping
    sprinklers

    I almost there...fireup, itchy and crazy!
    Last edited by Wild Ginger; 3rd Oct 2009 at 12:37.
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    Re: 6ft vivarium

    Hi Phillipe,

    Attached the picture taken in JM nursery today. Can you please advise, if these straight wood stick suitable for submerge background?

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    Hope this will help you ..to advise me

    let me know your thoughts
    Last edited by eddy planer; 11th Oct 2009 at 02:22.
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