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    LushGro Aqua & Micros

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    Hi

    Anyone got any experience with the dosage of Dr Mallick's LushGro Aqua & Micro??
    The recommended dosage for Aqua is 10ml per 100litres water while Micro is one drop per 100litres water.

    Any comment?

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    I used both but I do not follow the prescribed dosage. I dose Aqua to give me 20~30ppm of K weekly and supplement it with Micro for Fe to 0.1~0.2ppm weekly (taking into account water change).

    I assume all the N from Aqua comes from KNO3 and calculated the dosage of NO3 to be around 10~20ppm if Aqua is dosed for a level of 20~30ppm K. Note that Fe available for plants is only 13% of the specified EDTA FE mass.

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    I have a simple Excel nutrients calculator for Aqua and Micro. I could email you if you need it.

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    Dr Mallick will be impressed and proud of you.
    Now that we have DMDD - Dr Mallick's Dupla Drops.
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    On 4/8/2003 11:13:24 AM

    I have a simple Excel nutrients calculator for Aqua and Micro. I could email you if you need it.
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    Do you experience any algae bloom when u dose with the LushGro Aqua & Micro?
    U got PM.
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    Geoffery,

    Can I have the excel program also. Thanks a million

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    geoffrey, share the calculator with us.. email me so I can add it

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    On 4/8/2003 12:16:14 PM

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    On 4/8/2003 11:13:24 AM

    I have a simple Excel nutrients calculator for Aqua and Micro. I could email you if you need it.
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    Do you experience any algae bloom when u dose with the LushGro Aqua & Micro?
    U got PM.

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    Since we know the nutrient amounts Lushgro, we can work out a fertilising regime and try not to overdose and get algae bloom. Like all fertilisers, too much or too little can also cause algae problems.
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    On 4/8/2003 11:06:28 AM

    I used both but I do not follow the prescribed dosage. I dose Aqua to give me 20~30ppm of K weekly and supplement it with Micro for Fe to 0.1~0.2ppm weekly (taking into account water change).

    I assume all the N from Aqua comes from KNO3 and calculated the dosage of NO3 to be around 10~20ppm if Aqua is dosed for a level of 20~30ppm K. Note that Fe available for plants is only 13% of the specified EDTA FE mass.
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    Geoffrey,

    Since u used ur own dosing regime and not the recommended amt, can u comment on the cost effectiveness of dosing Aqua and Micro (e.g. vs Seachem Flourish + Flourish Trace)?

    U mentioned that adding 20-30ppm of K will also add 10-20ppm of NO3 (assuming K is from KNO3). Wont it cause any problems in tanks that have high NO3 in the 1st place (e.g. 10-20ppm before fertilization)?

    Anyway, can i have ur calculator too? (PMing u immediately after this). Thanks!
    ThEoDoRe

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    On 4/8/2003 2:35:33 PM

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    On 4/8/2003 11:06:28 AM

    I used both but I do not follow the prescribed dosage. I dose Aqua to give me 20~30ppm of K weekly and supplement it with Micro for Fe to 0.1~0.2ppm weekly (taking into account water change).

    I assume all the N from Aqua comes from KNO3 and calculated the dosage of NO3 to be around 10~20ppm if Aqua is dosed for a level of 20~30ppm K. Note that Fe available for plants is only 13% of the specified EDTA FE mass.
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    Geoffrey,

    Since u used ur own dosing regime and not the recommended amt, can u comment on the cost effectiveness of dosing Aqua and Micro (e.g. vs Seachem Flourish + Flourish Trace)?

    U mentioned that adding 20-30ppm of K will also add 10-20ppm of NO3 (assuming K is from KNO3). Wont it cause any problems in tanks that have high NO3 in the 1st place (e.g. 10-20ppm before fertilization)?

    Anyway, can i have ur calculator too? (PMing u immediately after this). Thanks!
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    In tanks with high NO3, can consider using the Lushgro-MICROS. K can separately be supplemented from K2SO4. If P is still needed, can get from KH2PO4.
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    Yup, Juggler and I call it DMDD : )

    jhseah:
    To say that I don't have algae is lying. I started out with loads of it, BBA! That's history now, I hope. IMHO, with Aqua and Micro, you can also do well. I strongly think that Aqua by itself will not suffice because of it's low T/E and must be supplemented by Micro (Fe is very low in Aqua).

    All my BBA problems are attributed to under-fertilising (mostly from Macro deficiency). Right now, I am fiddling to see if too much ferts relative to light and CO2 will cause algae and what type of algae.

    theo2001:
    Flourish is ~$14 right? Aqua is $8 for 500ml. If you want 1000ml, you can get ~$15. Dennerle don't say lah and don't know what's in V30, E15, A1 etc and how much of it to make necessary adjustments. The only difference, IMHO, is they use high quality stuffs for their N, K, Fe etc, etc. DMDD uses common salts, KNO3, K2SO4 blah, blah. So you decide which gives you more value. Both Juggler and I like DMDD, it's cheap and it works and don't worry, DMDD is not snake-oil.

    I am assuming the N comes from KNO3 not K. Some of us have high NO3 and yet no algae. I have 2ppm of PO4 and I don't have algae now. With that level of PO4, high light and CO2, more reasons for me to add more N with NO3 right? I would think too much of something with too little of another will cause algae. The lack of one element can prevent the uptake of the rest of the 15 other elements hence giving algae an advantage. That's how I see it.

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    Yes, I am also armed with KNO3, K2SO4 and MgSO4. I recently bought Seachem Phosphorus too. Something, I think many would abstain. I used Seachem because the standard packing of 1kg KH2PO4 will last me a lifetime. Like Juggler said, they can be handy to supplement elements that are uptake more rapidly.

    All:
    Juggler and Simon has offered to host the Excel program. Let wait for them to do it for future use. In the meantime, I will email to those who have requested it.

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    Geoffrey,

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    Oops, forget to mention. Aqua does not have Ca.

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    Click here for the DMDD Excel sheet or Right-Click and then save it to your disk.

    Note that there were some assumptions/ approximations:
    1) N in LushgroAqua comes from KNO3 (maybe we can check with Dr M later)
    2) Fe is 13% of Fe EDTA (found from his website)
    3) Geoffrey found that there are 20 drops in 1 ml of liquid using a medical dropper.

    Below lists the content of the fertilisers as we know from Dr Mallick:

    Code:
    [b]LUSHGro-Aqua content[/b]
    
    in g/litre
    
    N          7.179
    K          51.711
    S          16.667
    Mg         2.942
    Fe EDTA    1.683
    Mn         0.612
    Boron      0.314
    Zn         0.092
    Cu         0.025
    Molybdenum 0.016
    other minerals & vitamins : traces
    
    [b]LUSHGro MICROS content[/b]
    
    Iron                    170.04   g/litre
    Manganese                30.61   g/litre
    Boron                     2940  mg/litre
    Zinc                      3780  mg/litre
    Copper                    1660  mg/litre
    Molybdenum                2840  mg/litre
    Cobalt                  traces
    Vitamins                traces
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    To me, LGM is the more affordable version of TMG.

    The trace element's compositions is very very close to TMG, I am sure that's where Dr M. aimed, not an coincident. I started to use it today together with macro suppliments. I'll see how well it works.

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    The LGM formula came with the fertiliser bottle when I first bought it. That was the old packaging. I doubt the formula has changed. Maybe you can write down what you got?

    BTW - I checked with Dr Mallick and he said he used KNO3 only for the Nitrogen content in LushGro-Aqua.
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    Is it advisable to use LMG and Lush Gro Aqua with Seachem Phosphorus and Iron?

    Just a question to ponder.

    Cheerz

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    When calculating how much Micro drops to put into tank to supplement Fe, assuming we are targeting 0.15 ppm weekly, do we need to take into account Fe EDTA = 15% Fe? Or we just input the desired values and dose accordingly to the calculator?

    Thanks for posting the link to the calculator. Very useful.

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    On 4/9/2003 11:17:34 AM

    When calculating how much Micro drops to put into tank to supplement Fe, assuming we are targeting 0.15 ppm weekly, do we need to take into account Fe EDTA = 15% Fe? Or we just input the desired values and dose accordingly to the calculator?

    Thanks for posting the link to the calculator. Very useful.
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    We took that 13% into account (if you look the the formulas in the Fe EDTA cell of the spreadsheet). But it is good to test your water for Fe content after dosing.
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    I just got the data fresh from Dr M. For LGM, it should be:

    B 483
    Cu 267
    Fe 21,253
    Mn 5,684
    Mo 471
    Zn 617

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