Mixing frog spp.

[Gecko]

Hi, need an opinion/experience:

Can I have a common greenback frog (Rana erythraea) join a colony of White's if it is about the same size?

Thanks in advance.

[dkk08]

Try not to mix frog species as the white's are capable of swallowing a small mice and might even eat its own kind if they're big enough to fit into their mouth... but then again a greenback might not taste nice and leave a sour after taste in the white's treefrogs mouth... its really your choice but my advise is no...

[vivaboy76]

how did u get greenback tree frog???i am plaaaaaning to have one

[Gecko]

Thanks dkk.

She visited a water feature I have in the garden.

[vivaboy76]

so how is your greenback and white tree frog doing??

[vivaboy76]

well i kept the feeder frog together with ablino frogs..........3 weeks , all was going well...till the feeder frog grew bigger, it kind of attacked the abino to death.

now only having one feeder frog and caecilian.

i believe my tank is way too small for them, furthermore, my design of vivarium was such that the feeder frog can be on water area...2gether with albino...thats how things got complicated. Planning have a bigger tank with clear segregation of land and water with depth area...so that 2 species can live peacefully.

[dkk08]

its very difficult to have different species to live together in a small area... a feeder frog can grow very big at an alarmingly fast rate...

[Gecko]

I have been keeping the 2 spp. separately. I think my greenback is a she...getting real big.

[FuEl]

I would be concerned about mixing species that originate from different parts of the globe. One species might just be carrying something which the other species has zero immunity to.

[69efan69]

Rule of thumb is that mixing specie of any kind of reptile / amphibian is a no no.

[Gecko]

Both are South East Asian spp. Someone with experience would know the optimal mix.

[dkk08]

Well Mr Gecko, mixing species of different geographical locations or even species within a same location is a widely debated ideology in US and Europe... of cause there're many who succeeded in mixing different species of different geographical locations (like you mention, someone with experience but experience alone is not enough if not given the optimal space to work with, a very good example would be a member Energy in a certain Dendroboard forum)

So I would say, its a personal choice... all we can do is give our most honest opinion...

[Gecko]

I agree it is an ongoing debate and it is also up to an individual. I choose not to mix my white's with greenback. I just find the comment different part of the globe a tad exaggerated in this very specific instance.

[eddy planer]

I have seen a colony of 5 inch White Tree Frogs kept together with a couple of Whip snakes and a few Red eyes crocodile lizards with no casualty. They look so very peaceful and harmony according to its owner. But when feeding time, its blast to see them fighting for crickets!!!!!

[dkk08]

I agree it is an ongoing debate and it is also up to an individual. I choose not to mix my white's with greenback. I just find the comment different part of the globe a tad exaggerated in this very specific instance.

well I agree with you Mr Gecko, perhaps bro fuel wasn't directing the comment to you but meant it in a general sense since bro vivaboy76 did mention he's keeping a feeder frog with an albino african clawed frog and a caecilian...

[dkk08]

I have seen a colony of 5 inch White Tree Frogs kept together with a couple of Whip snakes and a few Red eyes crocodile lizards with no casualty. They look so very peaceful and harmony according to its owner. But when feeding time, its blast to see them fighting for crickets!!!!!

Yo Eddy, in the scenario that you describe, the animals can live happily together since all 3 animals (white's tree frogs, whip snakes and red eye crocodile skinks) can be found in indonesia, Papau New Guinea... and of cause if the enclosure is at least 8-10ft they should have a tight but tolerable space...

[Gecko]

Sure Mr dkk08, just mere exchanges of opinions and experiences...

[vivaboy76]

hi i totally agree with u guys.....but mixing different species is individual preferences buy highly risky affair.its can be done depending of the species, size and set up of the vivariuam.

My feeder frogs and albino lived quite peacefully for 3 weeks till the feeder frogs grew bigger........eventually attacked it till death....it thought it was food....this frogs kind of attack anything that moves..thinking it to be prey.

From my so called experiment:
1) feeder frog(guess its bullfrog) out grows the albino very fast, difficult to make sure both grows at the same rate.

2) Major factor- my viva is too small, no proper segregation of land and water area with very swallow water depth.thus there was constant face to face meet up of the 2 species.which triggered the attacking nature in the feeder fish especially during feeding time.
SO i believe with a proper segregation of land and water with depth, feeder frog(i believe do not like to in deep water) will not have the chance to attack the albino. Albino can swim to water bed if they feel threaten....

i might be wrong, but worth trying this out......your views guys

But i believe greenback frog or 4 line tree frog might be better alternative for bullfrog..
suprisingy the feeder frog does not attack the caecilian...it moves away from it.

[vivaboy76]

i am planning to mix this three species:

1) african albino clawed frog
2)caecilian
3) greenback or fourline tree frog
4) austrialian green tree frog(not big white tree frog)

i dont think i will get item 3 and 4 though
your views???

[eddy planer]

try not to mix green tree frog or white tree frog with other smaller frogs. If any frog smaller than its mouth , will sure end up its dinner right away!