AHHHHHH same problem happened again

**bettapassion** · 24th Jul 2003, 15:02

I'm facing the same problem in my new 3ft setup which makes me wondering if its the water problem in Woodlands.

I dosed the following 2 days ago after seeing the problems:
1. 450mg CaCO3
2. 10ppm K
3. 0.5ppm Mg
4. 0.1ppm Fe

Pictures
http://www.arofanatics.com/members/b...plantsproblem/

**PeterGwee** · 24th Jul 2003, 15:11

Don't mess with your GH...Singapore's tap water GH is fine. Just dose N,P,K and traces will do.

**geoffrey** · 24th Jul 2003, 15:13

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I'm facing the same problem in my new 3ft setup which makes me wondering if its the water problem in Woodlands.

I dosed the following 2 days ago after seeing the problems:
1. 450mg CaCO3
2. 10ppm K
3. 0.5ppm Mg
4. 0.1ppm Fe

Pictures
http://www.arofanatics.com/members/b...plantsproblem/
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450mg of CaCO3 only? For my 2.5, I whacked 1,350mg on top of corals in my sump to fix my Lobelia. And that is only about 5ppm of Ca but lot of Vit D.

**geoffrey** · 24th Jul 2003, 15:19

And its only 13.5ppm CaCO3, not must effect on KH too.

**PeterGwee** · 24th Jul 2003, 15:30

The problem might well come from lack of N as well.

**bettapassion** · 24th Jul 2003, 15:33

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The problem might well come from lack of N as well.
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Lack of N for which probelm? The curling or the dissolving problem, thanks.

**juggler** · 24th Jul 2003, 15:35

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On 7/24/2003 3:02:58 PM

I'm facing the same problem in my new 3ft setup which makes me wondering if its the water problem in Woodlands.

I dosed the following 2 days ago after seeing the problems:
1. 450mg CaCO3
2. 10ppm K
3. 0.5ppm Mg
4. 0.1ppm Fe

Pictures
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I also read your previous post at http://www.aquaticquotient.com/phpbb...ic.php?t=11634

Since it is only two days since you started this new fertilising regime, may have to wait a week or more to see results. I think this time there should be some result after reducing K and Mg and adding Ca.

In my case, after reducing to 10ppm K (from 20ppm K, 2~3ppm Mg), my plants did better and I was surprised to see a I-thought-long-gone H.polysperma growing nicely among the other plants. I always have coral chips in my filter as a source of Mg and Ca.

**geoffrey** · 24th Jul 2003, 15:37

That's a crypt melting right? That is crypto-rot lah, can leave alone and they will grow back.

**geoffrey** · 24th Jul 2003, 15:44

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Since it is only two days since you started this new fertilising regime, may have to wait a week or more to see results.

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Yup, it takes a while before you see recovery.

**PeterGwee** · 24th Jul 2003, 16:06

Bettapassion, what were you dosing before the problem came in?
If it is really a Ca issue, those curly leaves are as good as useless and you would need to trim it off. New shoots would sprout from the side though. [

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**bettapassion** · 24th Jul 2003, 16:49

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Bettapassion, what were you dosing before the problem came in?
If it is really a Ca issue, those curly leaves are as good as useless and you would need to trim it off. New shoots would sprout from the side though. [

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In fact after I put sand and water into the tank I was gathering some plants, I put them into the same tank with no CO2, fert, lighting etc. No curling problem. 2-3 days before I scape the tank I did put in 15 drops of Dr Mallick Micros. No curl leaves problem, no dissolving problem nor new leaves transparent problem.

I did not use base fert but use root monster and fert stick for my 3ft. Then I dose Aqua 4ml per day with 15 drops of Micros. Plants bubbling with light and CO2 and a AC fan to cool it. On 3rd day This happened, there is only 2 fish in the tank now a SAE and a singapore killi fish. I then dose CaCO3 with 10ppm of K and 0.5ppm of Mg with 4ml of Aqua and 15 drops of Micros, but the problem still there. So just last nite I tot could be PO4 since not much fish in there so I dose a small little rock about 6mm across of PO4 and now I get green spot algae and hair algae also turn up (crying out loud).......

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**geoffrey** · 24th Jul 2003, 17:26

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On 7/24/2003 4:06:33 PM

Bettapassion, what were you dosing before the problem came in?
If it is really a Ca issue, those curly leaves are as good as useless and you would need to trim it off. New shoots would sprout from the side though. [

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In fact after I put sand and water into the tank I was gathering some plants, I put them into the same tank with no CO2, fert, lighting etc. No curling problem. 2-3 days before I scape the tank I did put in 15 drops of Dr Mallick Micros. No curl leaves problem, no dissolving problem nor new leaves transparent problem.

I did not use base fert but use root monster and fert stick for my 3ft. Then I dose Aqua 4ml per day with 15 drops of Micros. Plants bubbling with light and CO2 and a AC fan to cool it. On 3rd day This happened, there is only 2 fish in the tank now a SAE and a singapore killi fish. I then dose CaCO3 with 10ppm of K and 0.5ppm of Mg with 4ml of Aqua and 15 drops of Micros, but the problem still there. So just last nite I tot could be PO4 since not much fish in there so I dose a small little rock about 6mm across of PO4 and now I get green spot algae and hair algae also turn up (crying out loud).......

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Aiyo, jiak lat. Try and do this.

1) Remove all your algae manually.
2) Do a big water change to dilute that PO4!!
3) Afterwhich just dose 60ml of Aqua 2x per week. No TE, PO4, K and Mg.

60ml, you think alot? Assuming your 3ft is 180L, 60ml of Aqua will only gives you per dose:

NO3 ~ 10ppm
K ~ 17ppm
Mg ~ 1ppm
Fe ~ 0.07

Versus your 4ml dose :

NO3 ~ 0.7ppm
K ~ 1ppm + 10ppm
Mg 0.06ppm + 0.5ppm
Fe ~ 0.004ppm + micro

Where got enough N to support your lighted, CO2 enriched, high PO4 and low fish load tank?

**bclee** · 24th Jul 2003, 18:04

Why not you give the full spec on this? Easier for us rather than speculating.

BC

**bclee** · 25th Jul 2003, 11:07

Beginners Info Sheet
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Tank Dimensions (LxWxH): 3'x?'x?'
Tank Volume (litres or gallons): ~50gal
Lighting Intensity(No of Watts) : 4x36W
Type of Lighting (FL/PL/MH) : PL
No. of Hours your light is on : 12hrs
CO2 Injection Rate (bps) : 4bps
Type of CO2 (DIY/Liquid/Tank) : Pressurised cylinder with solenoid valve
Method of Injection (e.g. Diffusor/Reactor): ?
Substrate Used : ?
How Thick is your base fert : ?
How thick is your gravel : ?
Liquid Fertilizers Used : CaCO3, 10ppm K, 0.5mg Mg, 0.1ppm Fe from Dr Mallick Micros.
Frequency of fertilization : weekly(?)
Tank Temperature : ?
Type of Filter (overhead/internal/canister) : ?
Filter media used : ?
How long has your tank been set up : ?
Other equipment : ?

Chemical Properties (Fill what you can)
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Carbonate Hardness (KH): ?
Total Hardness (gH): ?
pH : ?
NH4 (ppm): ?
NO2 (ppm): ?
NO3 (ppm): ?
PO4 (ppm): ?
Fe (ppm): ?

Bioload (Your Fish and Plants)
Plants:
Hygrophila polysperma 'Rosanervig'
Echinodorus ozelot
Bacopa caroliana (?)
etc.

**bettapassion** · 25th Jul 2003, 16:36

Tank Dimensions (LxWxH): 36&quot;x16&quot;x14.5&quot;
Tank Volume (litres or gallons): 136.89ltr
Lighting Intensity(No of Watts) : 4x36W
Type of Lighting (FL/PL/MH) : PL
No. of Hours your light is on : 12hrs
CO2 Injection Rate (bps) : 4bps
Type of CO2 (DIY/Liquid/Tank) : Pressurised cylinder with solenoid valve
Method of Injection (e.g. Diffusor/Reactor): Reactor
Substrate Used : NIL
How Thick is your base fert : NIL
How thick is your gravel : 2.5&quot;
Liquid Fertilizers Used : CaCO3 450mg, 10ppm K, 0.5mg Mg, 0.1ppm Fe from Dr Mallick Micros.
Frequency of fertilization : Weekly
Tank Temperature : 27-28deg C
Type of Filter (overhead/internal/canister) : canister with coral chips
Filter media used : Wool and bio balls
How long has your tank been set up : 1wk
Other equipment : ?

Chemical Properties (Fill what you can)
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Carbonate Hardness (KH): ?
Total Hardness (gH): ?
pH : ?
NH4 (ppm): ?
NO2 (ppm): ?
NO3 (ppm): ?
PO4 (ppm): ?
Fe (ppm): ?

As for the parameters I need to measure this weekend.

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**bettapassion** · 28th Jul 2003, 08:44

Could it be that I over fert?

**juggler** · 28th Jul 2003, 09:10

How are your plants responding now after one week? Any improvements?

I noticed you also have coral chips in your filter. So actually you need not dose extra Mg and Ca. Moreover our tap water also has Mg and Ca.

**spike** · 28th Jul 2003, 10:25

Hi, I think that the lighting is a bit on the high side, take out 10% for subtrate you will be using approx. 4.5 watts/gal. To me that's a bit too much lighting.