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    Advice needed, plant uprooting

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    Hi bros,

    Have been quite busy recently and my tank basically went into auto pilot, fert dosing was also inconsistent for the past 2-3months. No water change too until last weekend when I took the tds reading and got a shock, it was reading above 500.. Lucky that the fishes are still surviving! I had 50% water change and rise both filters.

    The issue I facing is the plants (hairgrass and other stem plants) were uprooting and the Ada soil seems to be loose and soft, I could not get the hairgrass stay when I re-inserting them.

    Is there any remedy to resolve this issue?

    Thanks for the advice!

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    Re: Advice needed, plant uprooting

    I am surprised that your plants can be uprooted despite being in your tank for at least 2 to 3 months before the last water change.

    Do you know why your plant got uprooted? Was it because the substrate was disturbed during the last water change?
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    Re: Advice needed, plant uprooting

    I guess I am lacking of some nutrients... I also don't know why the soil become so soft and loose...

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    Re: Advice needed, plant uprooting

    Some photos for reference,






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    Re: Advice needed, plant uprooting

    It looks like your substrate collapsed but i think it is quite unlikely.

    I would add in more soil to 'bury' the roots and a good bottom portion of the hair grass.

    I think the stem plants look fine. It is quite normal for some stems plant to grow 'water/air' roots.
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    Re: Advice needed, plant uprooting

    Quote Originally Posted by mUAr_cHEe View Post
    It looks like your substrate collapsed but i think it is quite unlikely.

    I would add in more soil to 'bury' the roots and a good bottom portion of the hair grass.

    I think the stem plants look fine. It is quite normal for some stems plant to grow 'water/air' roots.
    The view of the tank is actually the back of the tank with 20cm height of soil. Would adding more soil help in this way?

    Also, not really that the ammania sp 'bonsai' is looking fine, lot of them had uprooted. The photo I am showing is also uprooting with some portion of the main root still in buried.

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    Re: Advice needed, plant uprooting

    What type of fauna do u have inside ? I got a gut feeling it's disturbed.


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    Re: Advice needed, plant uprooting

    Quote Originally Posted by rc311 View Post
    The view of the tank is actually the back of the tank with 20cm height of soil. Would adding more soil help in this way?
    It looked like the soil/substrate collapsed and I think you should just add enough soil to fill it up. Just that missing gap there.



    I am assuming you originally lay the substrate up to the yellow line drawn. I think you should fill in the gaps here.

    Sorry but I am just stabbing in the dark as I am as noob as this as most people here.
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    Re: Advice needed, plant uprooting

    I see that the missing soil is on the top most of the substrate. Most likely is the soil move from the top most area to the bottom part of substrate.
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    Re: Advice needed, plant uprooting

    For plants with shallow roots, like the hairgrass on your tank, they can become boyant when left to grow into dense mats... so the entire layer eventually floats up.

    If you have fishes, shrimps or snails who like to burrow under carpet plants, it will gradually contribute to the uprooting process too.

    In such cases, just lift up the entire mat (it'll be like a one piece rug), separate the hairgrass into smaller bunches, then replant into the substrate again and let them continue growing. The excess can just sell away on the forum marketplace.
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    Re: Advice needed, plant uprooting

    The same thing happened with my HC Plants. I agree with what UA mentioned above. The thick mats and the shrimps digging under these mats caused the HC to uproot.
    Alternatively you could also just add more soil. The weight of the soil will press the plants back down again


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    Re: Advice needed, plant uprooting

    Yes i actually have tried replanting them and I noted that the soil is very loose and soft which I have to insert very deep in order for it to hold...

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    Re: Advice needed, plant uprooting

    Yeah, its the top layer of the soil naturally breaking down into smaller particles over time (a percentage of it will also be suspended and drawn into the filter or removed during water change)... so you'll just have to top up a fresh layer of soil to restore its condition.

    I remember watching a video of the ADA gallery staff maintaining their long terms scapes, part of the process was topping up the soil layer and re-planting the carpet plants.
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    Re: Advice needed, plant uprooting

    Oh ya, so normally do we need to drain the water off first or we will just pour the new soil down the tank ?

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    Re: Advice needed, plant uprooting

    If you just pour it in pretty sure it will be real cloudy.

    Not to mention the amount of ammonia that it will release. An idea that i havr is to put the soil in ziplock bag. Submerge it near where you want it to be and open a little to let water slowly go in the bag. When filled with water slowly pour the soil out

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    Re: Advice needed, plant uprooting

    Quote Originally Posted by rc311 View Post
    Oh ya, so normally do we need to drain the water off first or we will just pour the new soil down the tank ?
    I've done soil top-ups a few times for my tanks and so far the neatest (with least cloudiness) method i've used is to simply take a long plastic tube (can get from most LFS) along with a plastic funnel (got from Daiso), connect both together, switch off the filter, position the bottom of the tube just above the substrate area to be topped up, then scoop a cup of aquasoil and pour into the funnel... the soil will sink down the tube and land on the exact area you want to top up. Wait awhile for the soil to settle, re-plant if necessary, then can switch on the filter again.
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    Re: Advice needed, plant uprooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Urban Aquaria View Post
    I've done soil top-ups a few times for my tanks and so far the neatest (with least cloudiness) method i've used is to simply take a long plastic tube (can get from most LFS) along with a plastic funnel (got from Daiso), connect both together, switch off the filter, position the bottom of the tube just above the substrate area to be topped up, then scoop a cup of aquasoil and pour into the funnel... the soil will sink down the tube and land on the exact area you want to top up. Wait awhile for the soil to settle, re-plant if necessary, then can switch on the filter again.
    That's exactly what I have at home too! I cut the about the top 1/2 of piping about an inch from the tip to have more control on placement of the soil. If the inside of the piping is wet and not submersed with water, some soil get stuck in the piping when you move around the tank due to the different depth of the slope.

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    Re: Advice needed, plant uprooting

    good idea... thanks everyone for the input! cheers!

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