Apisto chat/LFS watchlist & etc

[stormhawk]

For A. barlowi/ "Maulbrüter"/ "Glaser:

http://apisto.sites.no/fish.aspx?Fis...378&gruppeId=1

From the information given, this species would be happy in a tank that uses rainwater or distilled water.

[EdwinTay]

hi bro Stormhawk

Thanks for the info. But, I do not have the luxury because "got mosquitos" quote, unqoute my wife.

By the way, still very very confused as to apistos names. In addition to the mouthbrooders having same names, I believe Wilhelmi is also known by another name & also Mamore. And, I recently came across internet articles stating that Megapteera & Breitbinden are the same fish.

Then again, this confusing names syndrome also holds true for guppy & betta morphs.

[venom]

recently i bought a pack of ketapang leaves from c328.. after few days of usage in the tank, i found there are slimy growth on the leaf.. is it safe to use?

[s9534891b]

That time i get from qian hu, they give it to me free of charge not only that, they give me alot.

[EdwinTay]

hi bro Venom

Ketapang leaves;

1. can pick up near fish farm. Those on sale as Miracle leaves are very expensive,
2. For usage, try my method - soak ketapang leaves together with peat in a squirt bottle (in my case, I also put anti-chrorine & antichromine) for a few days. Squirt the water out. This method can help control the amount of ketapang juice & peat (i.e. ph) & does not cloud the water. You also will not get the leaves disintegrating & cannot see the apistos. Ketapang leaves can get slimy & also emit some kind of oil (which I believe is harmless).

[s9534891b]

Can use plastic plants as a substitute?

[venom]

hi bro Venom

Ketapang leaves;

1. can pick up near fish farm. Those on sale as Miracle leaves are very expensive,
2. For usage, try my method - soak ketapang leaves together with peat in a squirt bottle (in my case, I also put anti-chrorine & antichromine) for a few days. Squirt the water out. This method can help control the amount of ketapang juice & peat (i.e. ph) & does not cloud the water. You also will not get the leaves disintegrating & cannot see the apistos. Ketapang leaves can get slimy & also emit some kind of oil (which I believe is harmless).

the purpose of using ketapang leaves is for apisto to have more hideout.
i dont mind getting my water yellowish.

[EdwinTay]

hi bro Venom

Ketapang turn water very very brown. And, when the leaves disintegrate, it is very messy. I find that apistos do not need too many hiding places. You saw my set-up - they work fine.

But, from my experience, ketapang leaves do have some medicinal value - they seem to inhibit virus/ bacteria growth. This is the main purpose why I put the leaves.

[venom]

hi bro Venom

Ketapang turn water very very brown. And, when the leaves disintegrate, it is very messy. I find that apistos do not need too many hiding places. You saw my set-up - they work fine.

But, from my experience, ketapang leaves do have some medicinal value - they seem to inhibit virus/ bacteria growth. This is the main purpose why I put the leaves.

that is my purpose... multi usage of ketapang leaf..

[joopsg]

that is my purpose... multi usage of ketapang leaf..

hi bro Stormhawk

Thanks for the info. But, I do not have the luxury because "got mosquitos" quote, unqoute my wife.

By the way, still very very confused as to apistos names. In addition to the mouthbrooders having same names, I believe Wilhelmi is also known by another name & also Mamore. And, I recently came across internet articles stating that Megapteera & Breitbinden are the same fish.

Then again, this confusing names syndrome also holds true for guppy & betta morphs.

Well both maulbruter and welhemi got renamed in 2012 or 2013 to Apisto Barlowi and A. abacaxis. At the same time Inka got renamed to A. Baeschi and Nannacara Adoketa became Ivanacara Adoketa. A. Strawberry got named A. Fresa.

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[joopsg]

Megapetra could be a mixed from breitbinden as the body shape not same. But i seen some photos of the Megapetra they developed quite similar to Breitbinden.

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[illumnae]

I believe A. sp. wilhelmi has not been described yet. Its alternative name is A. sp. Abacaxis based on one of its collection localities. A. sp maulbruter was described as A. barlowi in 2008. A. sp. Strawberry aka A. sp. Fresa aka A. sp. Diamond (and several other names) was described as A. eremnopyge and A. sp Inka was described as A. baenschi both in 2004. The reclassification of Nannacara adoketa to Ivanacara adoketa should have been sometime in 2007.

[joopsg]

I believe A. sp. wilhelmi has not been described yet. Its alternative name is A. sp. Abacaxis based on one of its collection localities. A. sp maulbruter was described as A. barlowi in 2008. A. sp. Strawberry aka A. sp. Fresa aka A. sp. Diamond (and several other names) was described as A. eremnopyge and A. sp Inka was described as A. baenschi both in 2004. The reclassification of Nannacara adoketa to Ivanacara adoketa should have been sometime in 2007.

Thanks for the clarification.

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[mobile2007]

New stock just arrived in JZX. Not sure what they got. Those interested can check it out.

[huhengyi1986]

New stock just arrived in JZX. Not sure what they got. Those interested can check it out.

ok gg tomorrow afternoon

[s9534891b]

Beside ada africana what type of
other soils may do?

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[stormhawk]

A. piaroa is something else from the pertensis group, and will not resemble any of the Breitbinden "forms". Thread below shows wild-caught A. piaroa, with the trademark orange margin to the dorsal fin, from where they received the trade name "Orangesaum" from the Germans. Based on the study, piaroa is A151.

http://www.apistogramma.com/forum/in...-please.10258/

This other link I posted some days ago:

http://www.apistogramma.com/forum/in...olombia.12494/

This is a confusing thing for people right now.

I remember Edwin mentioned sp. "Diamond Face" aka sp. "Kelleri". This one is related to barlowi but not the same species. Apistogramma barlowi is from the Rio Ampiyacu close to Pebas, A sp. "Diamond Face" aka "Kelleri" is from a location near to Leticia, Colombia. Here's a distribution map I made, using Google Maps:

[EdwinTay]

hi all bros

STOP CONFUSING ME!!!

But seriously, thanks for the info (overload). I believe somewhere in this forum someone has a list of apistos. Could some senior brothers (e.g. Stormhawk) update - to include alternative names.

The added problem is that there are several different naturally-occurring morphs.

Side point : I am glad there is some revival of interest in aipstos. If only bro Scope were still in the game.

[illumnae]

New stock just arrived in JZX. Not sure what they got. Those interested can check it out.

I think they have Apistogramma elizabethae, Crenicichla regani "Tapajos" and Crenicichla sp Orinocco/Inirida (commonly falsely sold as Crenicichla notophthalmus by other LFS).