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I. Adoketa just different from Apistogramma.
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i think so..
i saw their Ivanacara Adoketa 'Super Red'
too big to my liking
I. Adoketa just different from Apistogramma.
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Henry aka joopsg
Current tank: 1 4 tier 3ft fish rack
Livestock: WC Ivanacara Adoketa, WC Apistogramma Kelleri 'Red Cheeks', A , WC Apistogramma Mendezi, WC Apistogramma Cruziero, WC Apistogramma Elizabethae and WC Biotoecus Operularis.
Perspective. I took the pic just after it turned, tail still curved so looks short lorOriginally Posted by EdwinTay
Except for the red red colour, it looks female to me based on finnage and body shape. The red colour could be due to selective breeding? Yours are cb right?
Yup. Mine is selective bred one. Male super red.
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Henry aka joopsg
Current tank: 1 4 tier 3ft fish rack
Livestock: WC Ivanacara Adoketa, WC Apistogramma Kelleri 'Red Cheeks', A , WC Apistogramma Mendezi, WC Apistogramma Cruziero, WC Apistogramma Elizabethae and WC Biotoecus Operularis.
Okay, thanks illumnae. You really make my day man. By the way i now working near fishy biz..
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Henry aka joopsg
Current tank: 1 4 tier 3ft fish rack
Livestock: WC Ivanacara Adoketa, WC Apistogramma Kelleri 'Red Cheeks', A , WC Apistogramma Mendezi, WC Apistogramma Cruziero, WC Apistogramma Elizabethae and WC Biotoecus Operularis.
It was not me....sigh!!!!!
EdwinTay: thought your tanks fully occupied? You like to let go any?
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Henry aka joopsg
Current tank: 1 4 tier 3ft fish rack
Livestock: WC Ivanacara Adoketa, WC Apistogramma Kelleri 'Red Cheeks', A , WC Apistogramma Mendezi, WC Apistogramma Cruziero, WC Apistogramma Elizabethae and WC Biotoecus Operularis.
hi bro Joopsg
You mean my adoketa (which I got by accident?) - no way, I want to see them have sex first.
Man, you are beginning to sound like bro Venom...everytime want my fish.
hi all bros
But seriously, I wish someone can bring in the more exotic ones like Tucurui, Guttata etc.
I miss bro Scope.
Wow so lucky! Wish I could drop by there more often but I live and work quite far away from there. Roger's a really nice guy.
Since you're such a big player, why not source for them and bring them in yourself, or make arrangements with an LFS to bring in for you once you've sourced them? That's how I managed to get my discus from H&K in after many years of hoping for them.
Since i know you have a pair i will wait. Please give me priority to purchase if letting go.
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Henry aka joopsg
Current tank: 1 4 tier 3ft fish rack
Livestock: WC Ivanacara Adoketa, WC Apistogramma Kelleri 'Red Cheeks', A , WC Apistogramma Mendezi, WC Apistogramma Cruziero, WC Apistogramma Elizabethae and WC Biotoecus Operularis.
However I think she is skinny. Must pump her more...
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Henry aka joopsg
Current tank: 1 4 tier 3ft fish rack
Livestock: WC Ivanacara Adoketa, WC Apistogramma Kelleri 'Red Cheeks', A , WC Apistogramma Mendezi, WC Apistogramma Cruziero, WC Apistogramma Elizabethae and WC Biotoecus Operularis.
hi bro Illumnae
Since you're such a big player, why not source for them and bring them in yourself, or make arrangements with an LFS to bring in for you once you've sourced them? That's how I managed to get my discus from H&K in after many years of hoping for them.[/QUOTE]
No, I am not a big player. I am just crazy for apistos. I am trying to figure out a way to get them in. Many years ago, I did go Hong Kong (on business trip) & brought in some. I have talked to a LFS who can get wild ones in. However, as I mentioned before, they need to buy in bulk (200-300 pieces at one go). I don't think it is a good idea to flood the market & crash the price. The other irony is that it may create an unsustainable demand for apistos (I have been told that some wild ones are already extinct). I figured that if LFS can bring in 10-20 pairs of each species, this would be ideal.
[QUOTE=joopsg;759634]However I think she is skinny. Must pump her more...
hi bro Joopsg - for a moment, I thought you were talking about yr wife!!!
Haha.. she is now pregnant ard 6 mths so no need to say...
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Henry aka joopsg
Current tank: 1 4 tier 3ft fish rack
Livestock: WC Ivanacara Adoketa, WC Apistogramma Kelleri 'Red Cheeks', A , WC Apistogramma Mendezi, WC Apistogramma Cruziero, WC Apistogramma Elizabethae and WC Biotoecus Operularis.
LFS bring in 10-20 pairs means somewhere out there 200-300 pieces were brought in, be it Germany, HK, Taiwan or Singapore. The remaining 100-200 PCs are probably leftover males or juveniles that will end up being culled. Apistos aren't caught neatly in pairs, shipments are usually male heavy, or many unsexable juveniles. Several LFS have tried before bringing large wild shipments. Far from crashing the price. From a shipment of 100+ fish you get only 4 females and can only sell 4 pairs how? End up make a loss or have to sell super expensive. Reality of fish like apistos that can only be sold in pairs or trios is that you need to ship in the bulk to get enough saleable pairs. You will hardly make a dent in the market bringing in just 200-300 pcs let alone crash it. Its just a matter of which party takes the risk of bearing the leftover stock in the end. This is why the apisto hobby has never been huge here and has been on the decline over the past 8 years since I started this hobby.
hi bro Illumnae
You are correct. That's why I am trying to find a way to solve this. Otherwise it is almost impossible to bring wilds. The last shop to bring in, NKS, lost money. Last time, only Cichlid Forever brought in.
Would appreciate it if fellow brothers think of a way to resolve this issue. Otherwise cannot bring in.
In relation to extinction of fish, the Brazilian government is doing a great job on its own destroying the Amazon and driving thousands of species of fish to extinction. In reality, fishing for export in Brazil doesn't pose the same kind of extinction threat like certain fish in Asia (white cloud mountain minnow, redline torpedo barb, galaxy rasbora etc). This is especially so for the Brazilian equivalent of our "longkang fish" like apistos - a single small pool can hold thousands of apistos. Look at cardinal tetras too. Hundreds of thousands are shipped out yearly, and I can guarantee you they are nowhere near extinct.
This is why bans like the ones on the export of L46 zebra plecos are laughable. Do you think shipping out several thousand a year can compare to the destruction of their natural habitat by the building of just one dam? We should be getting as many as possible into the hands of hobbyists to breed them so they don't go extinct! This goes for most Brazilian fish in future as the government plans to build more dams. We should get the fish out of Brazil and into the hands of breeders.
This is why I dislike manmade fish variants. We should have our hands full trying to preserve natural types, not create artificial unnatural types while the "real deal" goes extinct. Look at the white cloud mountain minnow. For many years before the new population was found, all you could get at LFS were the gold types or rarely the long fin types. And this was a fish thought to be already extinct in the wild! It was really quite sad IMO.
Just my opinion
The only shop still doing it is jzx. To resolve this issue, there's only one way - make it worth their while. Prices high still got to buy, don't express interest Liao then they bring in then say "why this batch not colorful? I wait till next batch then buy" etc. This is what happens now, and this is why LFS cannot make money bringing in apistos. This is how Singaporeans are, in a nutshell. We are a pampered nation. Until this attitude changes in relation to apistos, we are stuck. Margins for such small fish not worthwhile for LFS to invest. Look at the USA apisto hobby. They grab what they can get. Most of the time, the "spectacular" fish they have we snub because "quality not there" and yet these fish the american hobbyists treat as gems. That's why the hobby is more sustainable there than here.
I admit, I am also like what I described above, sadly...
hi bro Illumnae
I did posted the "bad habits" before. In my opinion, if the wild fishes are priced at $20-30 each & if we can go & choose (just like last time at Cichlid Forever), hopefully, we can get 15-20 people buying per shipment, this should cover the LFS costs. Admittingly, the wild ones will only interest hardcore hobbists. Actually, I do not mind "underwriting" the excess provided I get them at cost or cost+10%.
We have to be fair to the LFS.
BTW, I actually agree with you about captive breeding to preserve the species.
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