Apisto chat/LFS watchlist & etc

[joopsg]

EdwinTay: hey give me a break lah... i very pitiful one.. adoketas have not paired off, incidents kept brought up.. heart pain leh..

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[illumnae]

Mine finally starting to pair off. Instead of 3 fish in 3 separate territories, the male and alpha female (the one you guys say is in breeding colouration) spend about 80% of the time together and both chase the 2nd female away. This took about 1 month, during which I was also fighting off a very resilient strain of ich (killed all my tucano tetras and 3/4 of my Nannostomus marilynae). Soon I will need to take out the 2nd female before they kill her I think. From what I've read and experienced, it's easier to pair adoketa off if you have a group, or at least a trio. Let the male have a choice so he can pick the female he likes. Otherwise, you may end up with just 1 adoketa left.

However, I've heard it's easier to pair off and spawn cb adoketa (beyond F1, such that they lose their wild instincts) compared to wc ones, so your mileage may vary!

Have any of you found a definitive way to tell wc adoketa from cb ones yet? I've heard a method that's common in Hong Kong, shared to me by several independent dwarf cichlid shop owners in HK - thought to hear from everyone else before sharing what I heard.


edit: based on my experience, not worth going for apisto hunting trips in SG, especially if the target is wc apistos. The availability and variety locally is really quite abysmal. Organize a year end trip to HK maybe and I can bring you guys to the dwarf cichlid shops I frequent. I make it a point to drop by at least once every 1-1.5 years and by now, some of the shop owners recognize me already hahaha


edit2: Edwin, JZX has been constantly bringing in both wc and cb apistos. Can't remember offhand which species are wild vs cb, but I know one regular wc import they bring in is Inka. They have also brought in eremnopyge, norberti, bitaeniata (several localities) and elizabethae (both wc and cb) etc. in recent times.

[joopsg]

illumnae: loan me your extra female.

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[joopsg]

I will monitor them for a month anyway this is only their second week together. But female at times run away, sometime will stay put and wriggle at the male. Another thing is that my male is big.

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[joopsg]

Captive Bred one will take pellets?

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[EdwinTay]

hi bro Illumnae - great to hear fm another seasoned player. Yes, I do go to JZX. I suppose the more common ones such as agassizzi & bitaeniata are CB while others such oregon are wc. With rgds to HK trip, actually I am more keen on Taiwan - unless you want to go to the Amazon...

bro Joopsg - what are you trying to do? Start an Adoketa orgy???? But seriously, I am also trying to find a way to induce them to breed. Slightly lowering temperature & changing water & feeding live/ frozen food has a little effect but still not enough. I am toying with the idea of putting a mirror to let the male flare (a.k.a. bettas).

[illumnae]

Captive Bred one will take pellets?

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My wc ones take pellets too leh - this one just a matter of training.

hi bro Illumnae - great to hear fm another seasoned player. Yes, I do go to JZX. I suppose the more common ones such as agassizzi & bitaeniata are CB while others such oregon are wc. With rgds to HK trip, actually I am more keen on Taiwan - unless you want to go to the Amazon...

bro Joopsg - what are you trying to do? Start an Adoketa orgy???? But seriously, I am also trying to find a way to induce them to breed. Slightly lowering temperature & changing water & feeding live/ frozen food has a little effect but still not enough. I am toying with the idea of putting a mirror to let the male flare (a.k.a. bettas).

There were wc bitaeniata and agassizi brought in by JZX too.

I prefer HK to Taiwan, as I didn't really see that many hobbyist-focused apisto shops in Taiwan when I was there. Most were wholesalers interested in bulk sales. The HK suppliers I know bring in from SA, Japan and Taiwan already in pairs most of the time and are catered more to hobbyists. Rarely you have something in Taiwan that can't be found in HK at the same time.

ultimately, I adoketa aren't as easy to induce to spawn as apistogramma. All we can do is to use the usual tricks (e.g. large wc during rainy days, live feed etc.), but it's really up to them whether or not they are in the mood to breed or not. However, it does seem from recent reports that the cb ones that have been coming in lately are pretty easy to induce to spawn!

[joopsg]

ultimately, I adoketa aren't as easy to induce to spawn as apistogramma. All we can do is to use the usual tricks (e.g. large wc during rainy days, live feed etc.), but it's really up to them whether or not they are in the mood to breed or not. However, it does seem from recent reports that the cb ones that have been coming in lately are pretty easy to induce to spawn!

I cannot do large amount of Water Change as i am not using any water conditioner. Still do not know which brand to use.


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[illumnae]

Seachem Safe/Prime. Most value for money and tried & tested by many. I used to use it before I switched to using carbon prefilters.

[joopsg]

bro Joopsg - what are you trying to do? Start an Adoketa orgy???? But seriously, I am also trying to find a way to induce them to breed. Slightly lowering temperature & changing water & feeding live/ frozen food has a little effect but still not enough. I am toying with the idea of putting a mirror to let the male flare (a.k.a. bettas).

Organizing this meeting may have different effect. Just trying my luck.

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[joopsg]

Just to update, my pair of adoketas frequency of flaring and wriggling bodies movement is increasing as days goes by. However the male is still pushing female to the limit, chasing her around the tank. Female now has 2 spots to hang around permitted by the male. One is over a clay pot while the other is just below a driftwood. They are scaping the tank on a regular basis.

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[illumnae]

Looks more promising than my pair, who simply just hang out together sometimes =\

[joopsg]

Looks more promising than my pair, who simply just hang out together sometimes =\

But my pair are not hanging out together and not changing the coloration like yours.

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[raymond]

Apisto Hongsloi Type 2 Male and fry. Currently fry is free swimming.

[s9534891b]

I cannot do large amount of Water Change as i am not using any water conditioner. Still do not know which brand to use.


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Use the AZOO double black water conditioner.can be found in any aquarium shops.

[mobile2007]

You are putting your precious adoketa at risk as u hesitated on which water conditioner to use. All water conditioners are serving the same function, nothing else.

I cannot do large amount of Water Change as i am not using any water conditioner. Still do not know which brand to use.


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[joopsg]

You are putting your precious adoketa at risk as u hesitated on which water conditioner to use. All water conditioners are serving the same function, nothing else.

Hi mobile2007, i understand what is going to happen. Will try to get a bottle of aqua conditioner today. Because my water change regime is ard 10- 15% of the water.

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[joopsg]

Hey brothers, i just gotten a bottle of seachem prime from Fishy Biz.

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[EdwinTay]

hi bros

Before I forget, Have a Happy & Prosperous (in terms of spawning) Lunar New Year.

[joopsg]

恭喜發財！马上生蛋！马上有钱！

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