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[venom]

Chill... ok... Guys.. it is a hobby to enjoy.. we are sharing the passion. Like i mentioned earlier, we should give encouragement and support..

Venom: i know the pain as i lost my first male Adoketa.

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exactly bro. i am here to enjoy my hobby but discouragement from fellow hobbyist really demoralize.

[Milk]

Hi illumnae,
Have a bit of free tme on hand now and seriously..apistograma addiction are hard to get rid off.
How did you know ??
In actual fact, parts of the plans has being running for a while and I intend to kick it off once I seen some result. And I guess it's about time soon..

[joopsg]

No worries. I can share with you my experience with Adoketas when you decide to come to the dark side.

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[Milk]

Hi edwintay;

I will says that venom is just in-experience.. and this is part and parcel of this hobby. I proudly admit that I did kill many farm breed species and wild caught species due to my in-experience.

In regards to farm-bred fishes.... there ARE AlWAYS genatically deformed due to in-breeding. Only reasponsible breeding can produce good species.
Another good examples are puppy mills.. looks at all those defective and sickness prone puppy that's in the market now..

[Milk]

Hi joopsg;

What dark side?? When I started off apistogramma again... I'm already in the darkest side....

Live feeds are good. Enrichment live food are best. Beside live food, there's other factor to consider as well. Additional minerals and nutrient to add into the water.

Hybrid steel blue are a cross between 2 specie. Therefore, their genatic are "NEW".. so they are less genatically deformed.. more tolerance to external factors..

[EdwinTay]

Hi edwintay;

I will says that venom is just in-experience.. and this is part and parcel of this hobby. I proudly admit that I did kill many farm breed species and wild caught species due to my in-experience.

In regards to farm-bred fishes.... there ARE AlWAYS genatically deformed due to in-breeding. Only reasponsible breeding can produce good species.
Another good examples are puppy mills.. looks at all those defective and sickness prone puppy that's in the market now..

hi bro Milk

I think I paid more to learn than most people - ask bro Scope. This time, I am a little more successful & am glad to share my experience.

With rgds to in-breeding, I think I read in Romer that it takes 13 generations for defects to appear. However, from what I know, as a general guide, 3 generations is all it takes. One of the biggest issues is that I suspect a lot of the locally-available fishes are from the same source - therefore there is little room for outcrossing. For instance, I suspect that; the Taiwan fish is from Germany & Czech & Taiwan exports to HK. Malaysian & Indonesian (recent) sources are probably the same.

[Milk]

Hi joopsg,
Lateral lines are not the only signs of in-breeding... there are a few more different signs to looks at.

[joopsg]

Hi milk, noted with thanks.

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[venom]

hi bro Milk

I think I paid more to learn than most people - ask bro Scope. This time, I am a little more successful & am glad to share my experience.

With rgds to in-breeding, I think I read in Romer that it takes 13 generations for defects to appear. However, from what I know, as a general guide, 3 generations is all it takes. One of the biggest issues is that I suspect a lot of the locally-available fishes are from the same source - therefore there is little room for outcrossing. For instance, I suspect that; the Taiwan fish is from Germany & Czech & Taiwan exports to HK. Malaysian & Indonesian (recent) sources are probably the same.

bro.. i don't think that it is about paying more or less than most people.. As a senior(in term of age) and experienced hobbyist, shouldn't you guide the newbies like me along rather than saying i am a serial apisto killer? prevent the newbie following your footsteps and learning the hard way.. with your experience i am sure more than more people will enjoy the same hobby together..

[EdwinTay]

bro.. i don't think that it is about paying more or less than most people.. As a senior(in term of age) and experienced hobbyist, shouldn't you guide the newbies like me along rather than saying i am a serial apisto killer? prevent the newbie following your footsteps and learning the hard way.. with your experience i am sure more than more people will enjoy the same hobby together..

chill bro.

[joopsg]

Ok. Let's look forward and enjoy our common hobby..

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[Milk]

Venom, I think edwintay meant as a joke.. please don't take it too personally ya.. you know that we all meant well and we will gladly share whatever experience and knowledge we have.

[venom]

i always look forward and enjoy the hobby bro..
last saturday i itchy hand and bought a pair of caca triple red from c328

[venom]

Venom, I think edwintay meant as a joke.. please don't take it too personally ya.. you know that we all meant well and we will gladly share whatever experience and knowledge we have.

sometime joke may backfire when you say it a lot of time.. did not take it too personal but sometime its just hurting.

[mobile2007]

When you buy the apisto pair from the LFS, do you think the farm will bother to pair them from a different parent? I dont think so. Also, many of the so callled "Wild caught" apisto, how many can actually verified to be true? We also can not tell.

We just have to do our own part. When we breed our apisto, try not to breed them from the same linage for too many generations.

[illumnae]

bro. you talk like i am purposely wasting my money to kill apisto? i might as well buy delicacy for myself to eat better than throw money into small fishes like apisto. you think i feel happy when the fish dead?

Bro venom, just ignore such insensitive and senseless comments la, no point getting angry over someone else hiding behind a keyboard From your collection and postings can tell you are passionate about the hobby too. Don't rush too fast but slowly keep and learn more about these lovely fish. Your success rate will surely go up

[illumnae]

Hi illumnae,
Have a bit of free tme on hand now and seriously..apistograma addiction are hard to get rid off.
How did you know ??
In actual fact, parts of the plans has being running for a while and I intend to kick it off once I seen some result. And I guess it's about time soon..

Hi bro, I was at a certain LFS you shared your plans with shortly after you dropped by and he told me as he knew I was in the same hobby Once he mentioned your name it kickstarted memories from when I was still a newbie into the hobby years back and you were sharing advice with us newbies

When you buy the apisto pair from the LFS, do you think the farm will bother to pair them from a different parent? I dont think so. Also, many of the so callled "Wild caught" apisto, how many can actually verified to be true? We also can not tell.

We just have to do our own part. When we breed our apisto, try not to breed them from the same linage for too many generations.

You'll have to purchase from trustworthy LFS who can share with you the source of their apistos. From there you can determine whether or not the fish are wc. Generally we know LFS like JZX and NKS import themselves from South America and definitely get wildcaught species. JZX also has cb species though so you'll have to ask the boss. Stones also brings in fish from South America, but generally not dwarf cichlids except dwarf pikes. Stones has an order list that they can bring in regularly from Taiwan, and those are cb from farm. Stones also is the distributor of Jeff Rapps and once in awhile they will organize MO from JR. Usually no apistos on the list, but other dwarf cichlids like Dicrossus, Crenicara and Laetacara are available - those are usually wc or f1. The "normal" LFS like C328 etc don't bring in their own fish. Their main supplier is a Malaysian farm, so chances of getting wild apistos from them is close to nil.

[mobile2007]

Walau, I got captive bred apisto to keep enough already. Pocket not deep enough lah .

Hi bro, I was at a certain LFS you shared your plans with shortly after you dropped by and he told me as he knew I was in the same hobby Once he mentioned your name it kickstarted memories from when I was still a newbie into the hobby years back and you were sharing advice with us newbies



You'll have to purchase from trustworthy LFS who can share with you the source of their apistos. From there you can determine whether or not the fish are wc. Generally we know LFS like JZX and NKS import themselves from South America and definitely get wildcaught species. JZX also has cb species though so you'll have to ask the boss. Stones also brings in fish from South America, but generally not dwarf cichlids except dwarf pikes. Stones has an order list that they can bring in regularly from Taiwan, and those are cb from farm. Stones also is the distributor of Jeff Rapps and once in awhile they will organize MO from JR. Usually no apistos on the list, but other dwarf cichlids like Dicrossus, Crenicara and Laetacara are available - those are usually wc or f1. The "normal" LFS like C328 etc don't bring in their own fish. Their main supplier is a Malaysian farm, so chances of getting wild apistos from them is close to nil.

[nicktc]

How to get a shy mamuri to 'rubba'

This male mamuri was initially a bully. Will charge and chase the female ans small guppies in the tank.
But when the gal decided to come out and play, we will 'dart' away if she gets too close.

Was thinking of adding in another male apisto ... not sure if that will help.

[venom]

How to get a shy mamuri to 'rubba'

This male mamuri was initially a bully. Will charge and chase the female ans small guppies in the tank.
But when the gal decided to come out and play, we will 'dart' away if she gets too close.

Was thinking of adding in another male apisto ... not sure if that will help.

nice bro.. where did you got this pair from? i keen to get 1 pair as well.
thanks for sharing