Reply With QuoteMy guess,it is the same as Twinstar Nano.
Interesting..
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My guess,it is the same as Twinstar Nano.
Interesting..
Does not look as nice as twinstar but at least the video is more convincing. Unless they have a smaller version, or else it is a bit overkill.
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confirm overkill, it's for pond.
the very least we can find how it works, twinstar is shrouded in mystery.
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yup,at least we know how twinstar work...Originally Posted by felix_fx2
and i found this
http://www.ebay.com.sg/itm/Pond-Alga...item4d089d7c75
It's maybe twinstar work that way, but good thing this around that same price range. (beyond $200)
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The replacement ion cost about $114sgd.
I wonder how much is twinstar ion plate cost?
it releasing copper ion, may not be good for your shrimps.
got any confirm twinstar same?
can't just based on alternative product ma...
if have people dissect a unit and confirm online?
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No confirmation...
cant find anything yet online...
Yup, that's what i've been trying to do (Ad-hoc basis) in my free time.
If we know the material, many things can/may happen.
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Yup, although the guy said its a proprietary metal, the diagram showing "Cu" ions immediately sets off alarms in my head!
My most educated guess about the Twinstar, based on direct observation, is that it is based on electrolysis of water, with limited reliance on the metal itself to produce the ions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolysis_of_water
The fine bubbles produced underwater means there is gas production and is most likely hydrogen and oxygen.
I didn't look into how effective these ions are in killing spores, microbes and algae though, since this depended heavily on how readily the H+ & OH- ions react with each other or other ions in the water to form something stable, the pH of the water and how much of the ions turn into reactive free radicals, such as hydroxyl.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroxyl_radical
If OH- radicals are indeed being formed, it would be like being bombed with hydrogen peroxide (the OH- oxidizes)
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Here's a jap link that mentioned something about "plasma technology", although I'm quite skeptical about plasma tech working underwater and with similar effects as our air-purifiers.
http://www.grassyaqua.com/repo_ar.html
Many USA and Europe forumers seemed to think its an Ozone generator but apparently, this was denied by the company. Ozone had a distinctive "rainy day" smell that the company challenged the users to try to detect. There is no such smell according to the company.
Ozone are usually generated artificially in 2 ways; corona discharge (similar to atmospheric lightning) and via UV rays exposure...but both must take place in air.
Underwater generation is not the norm and although possible, seemed to be only for industrial purposes and requires specialized equipment so the company is likely telling the truth.
Anyone who understands plasma ion tech can shed some light?
Another thing I cannot understand is the number of models that Twinstar makes...for seemingly overlapping aquarium volumes. There's even a model for shrimps?
Twinstar Mini S - 120L
Twinstar Mini - 70-90L
Twinstar Nano - 70-90L & 180-240L modes
Twinstar Super S - 240L & 350L modes
Twinstar Shrimp - 120-150L
The claim is that the Mini is for algae, while the Mini S & Shrimp is for diseases. The Nano and Super S did not specify anything.
One clue that may be useful for determining what is it exactly that the Twinstar is releasing into the water, is that the device does not turn on all the time and there's some kind of sensor to measure "something" and switch on when the level falls below a threshold and switch off when it exceeds a threshold.
This means:
1. Twinstar is able to measure a parameter to derive the concentration of its active ions. Is there anything that looks like a sensor on the device?
2. The ions require a working concentration to work properly.
3. The ions have a toxic level which is why such monitoring and shutting down is required.
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