New to Endlers

[Guppendler]

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Here'a a pic on the saddleback female, the tail color is pretty indicative of the strain.
The middle male is a blonde saddleback. The blonde gene is epistatic of black pigments. It suppresses the development of black coloration. You'll never find a blonde guppy/endler sporting black of any sort.

[Guppendler]

I must add that blonde guppy/endler would still have black eyes whereas in the case of albinism, the body and including the eyes would be devoid of black.

[Xanavi]

Thanks for the sharing! I always thought females don't have any colors.

The blonde male saddleback remind me of the longkang guppies i caught in the canals more than 20 yrs ago when I was a kid.

Good news today, I scoop out 3 more new babies

By the way , are chili red real endlers since you mentioned that Saddleback is crossed with guppy and japan blau is wild japan guppy that looks like endler.... so is chili red the red version of a japan blau?

[Guppendler]

Colorless female will take on the color traits of the male with no interference genes passing onto the off springs. Females with color (usually on the fins and tails) is a display or certain strong genes (color traits). There are some traits like half black are very dominant. HB (half black) is passed down to the offspring when either parents has the gene. Knowing how these genes work would help one to breed lines with certain desired traits.

Your chilli red is also known as scarlet endler, it is a hybrid of black bar endler with red female guppy.
Congrats in harvesting more fry today

Wah, you must be quite a young chap. 20 years ago I already finished my national service haha

[Cmlee]

Yup, bag of 5-6 pairs from 328. Those are the ones that comes with females. But I am not sure if they are true female endlers as they look similar to female guppies.

I didn't see it in c328, where they put this? And how much?

[AQMS]

It is located on the left side where the counter is.
It is $12 per pack of 5pair if i not mistaken.

[Cmlee]

Can mix endlers with molly and swordtail ?

[Cmlee]

It is located on the left side where the counter is.
It is $12 per pack of 5pair if i not mistaken.

Left side when facing the counter?

[AQMS]

Yes,correct.

[Xanavi]

Hi Guppendler, would you be able to ID these?

They have a silvery white body with red tinges on the fins and tail.

[Guppendler]

They are magenta platinum endler. When you crossed wild type endler with red female guppy, you will end up with some fraction of the fry having the magenta trait.

[Xanavi]

So these are not pure endlers? So when you cross an endler with a guppy, how do you decide whether to call the offsprings guppies or endlers?

[Guppendler]

Nope, definitely not pure. Almost all the 'endlers' sold through lfs in SG are all endler/guppy hybrids. Generally the hybrids that look more like their wild type parents are loosely called 'endler'

[Guppendler]

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Your magenta endlers display metalhead trait. Now that they are acclimatized in your tank, does the head region gets darker

[Xanavi]

you are right. the head region is darker. The coloring on the entire body also appears to be more 'tanned'. can see a more obvious red hue at the rear half of the fish

[Guppendler]

Try to breed them and let me know if they breed true. Thanks

[gosukuso]

bro where do you get the fish holder?
was thinking of getting one for my shrimps

[Xanavi]

You can get them from c328

[Guppendler]

Bro, any updates on your endlers? Been quite a while

[emeraldking]

Hi Guppendler, would you be able to ID these?

They have a silvery white body with red tinges on the fins and tail.

Well, the exact story behind these fish is the following. Chili endlers ( in the rest of the world they're called red scarlet endlers) do have the magenta gene and the socalled "störzbach"-gene. Generally, about 30-40% of the male offspring will be magenta for sure with the metallic shine (störzbach). If you won't cull them, you'll get males like the ones in these two pics in those bags. So basically, they're also chili endlers.

I've started off keeping and breeding endlers (both N- and K-class) in 2004. Nowadays, I've got about 30 strains and some are my own created strains. I also judge endlers (both fancy and wildstrains) in the Netherlands and Germany.