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Apple snail will eat your moss
hello,
wanna ask if anyone did such a setup before?
i have a small tank which i delicate for such setup hence wanna know more about managing it.
so far,
i only have 7 cherry shrimps, getting 40 mores tonight
snails - 5 horned, 1 apple, 1 redhorn, 1 nerite snail.
tank got filter, a fern and a moss ball.
will the snails cross-breed?
thinking of adding assassin but read that it will eat other snails.
anyone giving any type of snails away?
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Apple snail will eat your moss
The snails are all different species so they will not cross-breed.... but the horned nerites will breed amongst themselves and lay lots of white hard shelled eggs around the tank (eggs will not hatch in freshwater conditions, but are tough to remove). The larger nerite snail may also lay white eggs if it is female and happen to already mated at the LFS.
The apple snail need male and female to breed, but if you have a female, it may still lay eggs if it also already mated at the LFS tank. They lay eggs above the water line so its quite easy to remove them if you want to control their population.
The ramshorn snail can reproduce even if there is only one in a tank (it can self-fertilize to create clones of itself). If it gets enough food, it will lay eggs which will hatch into baby ramshorn snails. They will breed very quickly.
That quantity of livestock in a small tank will accumulate waste very quickly, so do keep up with water changes/tank cleaning and don't overfeed.
so far, after 3 days. none of the snails are near with the moss, probably they don't have a firm footing hence can't possible eat the moss..Originally Posted by markus92
a little too late, 40 cherry already in the tank. lighting just did.
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wow, impressive. your knowledge is vast.
great to hear that they won't cross breed, however as for the nerite eggs..
since i got 5 of them, i foresee they probably will lay them. what should i do?
the apple snail was huge, i got it when it was just a baby, i removed it from my previous planted tanks as i realized it will eat them.
that explained why i'm surprised to see a ramhorn snail, as the previous tank actually residing one. didn't know they can DIY.
as of now, i have yet to feed the tank. probably doing once a week, some leftover vegetables.
may i ask about keeping the water quality, as of now, i have cotton filter and those bio rings.
is there anything more that i could explore?
tried carbon but read it absorb the good stuff too
is there such a snail by the color, blue?
i saw in one of the websites from a LFS.
where did you get your cherry shrimps?
From online dealer, 50 cent each. Wanted deep red but fearful, as I already wasted 140 cherry shrimps.
Slowly, see If I can maintain them
I keep and breed various snails in a spare tank too, many of them are hitchhikers from plants. Keeping them in a separate tank gives me an opportunity to observe them without the snails overpopulating in my other tanks and causing issues.
Slight typo in my previous post, nerite snails don't need to mate to lay eggs, the females will still lay eggs whether or not there are males, just that the eggs will be unfertilized.
If you spot nerite snail eggs on the plants, hardscape or tank glass (the eggs look like tiny white sesame seeds) and you want to remove them, just use a razor or plastic card to scrape them off, it'll require some effort as the eggs are very hard and often still leave some reside on surfaces.
Yeah, apple snails do grow very large in size over time... they are usually the highest bio-load and largest producers of waste in small tanks.
For the high quantity of livestock in your small tank, they may need some additional supplemental feedings during this initial period as the algae and bio-film in the tank may not yet be sufficient to sustain all of them. Its always a challenge to balance water quality when you put alot of livestock in a small tank, so just have to observe their behavior and survival rate.
Unless you have a very large and efficient filter, to keep the water clean in a small tank with small filter, you'll just need to do more water changes... its better to do frequent small water changes (ie. 20% every 2-3 days) rather than just one large water change per week, so that the water parameters don't change so suddenly.
Using carbon is okay for tanks that focus on livestock, its mainly planted tank that don't use it due to the possibility of the carbon absorbing fertilizers that are otherwise supposed to feed the plants. But if your tank is keeping just shrimps and snails with a few hardy plants, then not much issues from the effect of carbon. Note that carbon will usually only work for around 2 weeks, so it should be changed regularly to maintain its efficiency.
There are a few snails with blue variants, ie. blue mystery snails, blue ramshorn snails etc. Some LFS have them for sale from time to time and they are quite popular.
Didn't know you too, is a Snail lover. Any good breed that can spare me?I keep and breed various snails in a spare tank too, many of them are hitchhikers from plants. Keeping them in a separate tank gives me an opportunity to observe them without the snails overpopulating in my other tanks and causing issues.
Slight typo in my previous post, nerite snails don't need to mate to lay eggs, the females will still lay eggs whether or not there are males, just that the eggs will be unfertilized.
If you spot nerite snail eggs on the plants, hardscape or tank glass (the eggs look like tiny white sesame seeds) and you want to remove them, just use a razor or plastic card to scrape them off, it'll require some effort as the eggs are very hard and often still leave some reside on surfaces.
Yeah, apple snails do grow very large in size over time... they are usually the highest bio-load and largest producers of waste in small tanks.
For the high quantity of livestock in your small tank, they may need some additional supplemental feedings during this initial period as the algae and bio-film in the tank may not yet be sufficient to sustain all of them. Its always a challenge to balance water quality when you put alot of livestock in a small tank, so just have to observe their behavior and survival rate.
Unless you have a very large and efficient filter, to keep the water clean in a small tank with small filter, you'll just need to do more water changes... its better to do frequent small water changes (ie. 20% every 2-3 days) rather than just one large water change per week, so that the water parameters don't change so suddenly.
Using carbon is okay for tanks that focus on livestock, its mainly planted tank that don't use it due to the possibility of the carbon absorbing fertilizers that are otherwise supposed to feed the plants. But if your tank is keeping just shrimps and snails with a few hardy plants, then not much issues from the effect of carbon. Note that carbon will usually only work for around 2 weeks, so it should be changed regularly to maintain its efficiency.
There are a few snails with blue variants, ie. blue mystery snails, blue ramshorn snails etc. Some LFS have them for sale from time to time and they are quite popular.
I saw this breed by the name poto or pobo, can't recall.
Rabbit Snail, yellow flesh. Seems cute.
The filter that I had, was previously serving a bigger tank, around twice the size.
Hence hopefully, it should do the Job Well.
I must admit that I'm ignorance, I Actually switch all my filter to min low.. unknowingly causing cloudy in the water as the filter can't do their Job Well. Lucky no casualties
Did know carbon got such a short lifespan of 2 weeks only.
For planted tank, What other media should I consider?
As of now, using cotton filter and those ceramic rings that proclaimed to house good bacteria. Lots of pores type. Do I need to change them off? Or just wash and reuse?
One of the reasons why i keep a snail tank is actually mainly to breed common pond and ramshorn snails to feed my dwarf puffers... so i'm not really much of a snail enthusiasts, they are meant as food for my fishes.
Yeah, those are Tylomelania snails from sulawesi, i've kept them before for a period of time too (in sulawesi biotope tank with sulawesi shrimps)... the yellow ones you've seen are from lake poso (hence usually referred to as "poso" snails). They are quite easy to keep and breed very slowly... if you have males and females in a tank (and if conditions are good), the female may only produce one baby snail like once every few weeks.
They can grow quite large though, i've seen friends who have kept older poso snails that are around 10+ cm size.
The ceramic media you are currently using should be sufficient... some people prefer certain bio-media which may contain more surface area (ie. Biohome, Matrix etc), but if your tanks are maintaining their cycle well, then not much need to change their existing filter media.
Most ceramic bio-media can be re-used for a long time (unless they start crumbling into dust then need to change), just rinse them briefly with water to dislodge excess debris and dirt and they can be re-used.
An urgent question,
I notice the water in the tank got lots of bubbles.
And at the cotton area, lots of bubbles.
Is it a normal sight, unlike the rest, It's have far too Manhattan bubbles while the rest, got none
Ok, I think I know why, I Max the filter causing too much water movements..
Was kinda worried when you mentioned I need a good filtration system for this tank.
A few updates, the shrimps and snails seem to be in harmony.
Sharing food together, of course, the boss is the apple.
While the ramhorn, a little weird as It's often found on the water top, spinning with the water flow..
Ramshorn snails are pulmonates and need to breathe air from the water surface (they have pallial lungs, instead of gills). They can also control an air pocket in their shells to float up or down whenever needed, that why you often see ramshorn snails at the water surface drifting around... they are breathing air and also eating from the water surface.
any idea where can i get this poso snails?
i notice i got a lot of slimy stuff on the ceramic, probably algae from the past months of usage, hopefully with seachem excel, it will stop the algae in the filtration.
so do i have to take the ceramic rings out and wash them? won't that kills the bacteria?
is bubbles forming on the top of water regards as normal?
Just check at the various popular LFS like C328, Y618, Seaview etc... the shipments of those type of snails come in batches so just have to wait for them to appear for sale.
The slimy stuff on bio-media actually contain colonies of beneficial bacteria (they stick to surfaces along with bio-film and algae), its okay to rinse them in tank water during filter maintenance to dislodge debris and dirt because the majority of beneficial bacteria live inside the pores of the bio-media so while some may get washed away from the media surface, most of them are still intact and will quickly re-populate the outer surface.
Bubbles forming at the water surface are usually due to higher bioloads and by-products of the nitrogen process, the accumulated surface oil film makes the bubbles hold their form, low surface agitation also contributes as the bubbles don't get popped and mixed back into the water.
did a 20% water change yesterday night, looking good and happy.
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Btw, looks like you don't have ramshorn snail in your tank... that "ramshorn snail" on the left side of your photo that has a yellow shell with brown stripes is a Marisa Cornuarietis (aka giant Colombian ramshorn snail), its actually not a ramshorn snail but an apple snail. It grows large and eats plants.
More info about it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marisa_cornuarietis
Yeah, the left aka Big boss is not the ramhorn Snail.Btw, looks like you don't have ramshorn snail in your tank... that "ramshorn snail" on the left side of your photo that has a yellow shell with brown stripes is a Marisa Cornuarietis (aka giant Colombian ramshorn snail), its actually not a ramshorn snail but an apple snail. It grows large and eats plants.
More info about it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marisa_cornuarietis
Actually if you notice, the ramhorn is just at the top, beside a Shrimp.
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new members into the tank, cucumber buffet.
Bean + Kurt
Yeah.. DIY hair cut for it..Glad to see ur tank is making progress did u trim ur plants? It's got a pretty straight look on its leaves
So far, this tank is pretty stable.. just occasionally, the snails will crawl all the way to the filter..
I also don't know how they manage to do that.. as It's unlikely to happen as there's gap between the filter and tank if you got me.
If I never open the filter over, they probably be killed..
Bean + Kurt
Icic.. how are the 50 cherry shrimps? im curious to know did the bioload turn out okay?
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