Hair grass,how to ?

[aryanggie]

hi folks
i have a bare tank
-80x40x40cm
-2 x 36 watts osram
-quartz gravel
-one pack of JBL aquabasis
-some denerlee,maybe 1/10 kg
-hanging filter and inner filter

i want to make aquascape with 2 view point at the longest side(3 views better),i think about amano style aqua,(one long mangrove wood,hair grass,moss,anubias,n fern)

but the problem is, i dont have enough money to buy CO2 system,so
1. is it ok to grow hair grass without CO2?how to grow it?is the lighting ok?(10 cm on top of the water surface)
2. is JBL fert is good?
3. i plan to fill it with exotic shrimp only,

my friend told that hair grass is difficult to grow without CO2.is it right?
if so how about glosso,what the other grass like plan that can live without CO2 (e.tennelus no)

regards

[hwchoy]

both HG and glosso requires good CO2, HG especially during the growing in phase. what you might do is to fill with about 3-inches water, plant the HG (plant a few plants in a clump, so they don't jam up) and let it grow in shallow water. when the water is shallow it is easier for CO2 in the air to diffuse in. provide strong light. when they have started creeping (you can see strands peeking out from the unplanted areas) then you can increase the water depth.

[aryanggie]

WOOW , ithink its a good idea,did u mean to immediatly plant HG in emersed mode?half in the water,and half emersed(to take some CO2,)n how about after the HG grow and i add some water till it submerged?is the HG will do well or melt like the crypt(from land mode transfer to water mode)

[Shae]

You could try DIY Co2

http://www.sydneycichlid.com/diy/diyyeast.html

Its also got some other helpful stuff on there.

Shae

[wcknight]

You could try the 'poor man's CO2 system', I mentioned in Java Fern topic. Get a 2 liter bottle fill with water, sugar and yeast (equal parts sugar and yeast, more sugar for faster reaction but probably shorter time span). Insert an airline above the water level, close off top and extend the airline into the tank near plants or by water current.

Wes

[wcknight]

Sorry silly me SHae above has the same solution but a much better description.

[Shae]

I have made similiar mistakes on other forums

Shae

[aryanggie]

wah!nice advice!i try now to make it,now i look over Yeast,so hard to find it here,,,,,hehe.....i want to know how loong does it takes to CO2 to stop?i read about 2-3 weeks....is it true?

[|squee|]

Your neighbourhood grocery shop should have yeast in abundance

How long it lasts depends on how you mix up the brew actually. Try varying different amounts of sugar and yeast each time you mix up a new one to find out what works best for you. It took me a month to "perfect" the art of mixing it up :P

[whuntley]

I'm told home-brewing suppliers is a better source of yeast. Apparently bread yeast has a rather low tolerance for alcohol, so the process stops much too soon.

The longest lasting are champaign yeasts but others intended for brewing are no doubt better than bread yeast.

You only need to buy the yeast once, so the expensive ones aren't a bad deal. Use some of the old bottle sediment to get the next one going before the process is 100% stopped.

Wright