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    Re: Is this iron and magnesium deficiency? Please advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zerofighterx101 View Post
    Since you order it online from UK,you should try this site http://www.aquariumfertilizer.com/in...ditU=1&Regit=5
    but be careful with KN03 it is not allow here above certain limit. I save a lot buying from them.
    Fantastic news. Thanks Bro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow View Post
    It is tough to take-off in Asia where most of the LFS will tell you that too much fertilizer will cause algae. EI is doing exactly the opposite. Based on EI logic, algae will grow anyway with or without fertilizer because their nutrient requirement is very-very little. Any fish waste and plant decay is more than enough to supply algae with all they need. Thus instead of trying to kill agae, it maximize the plant growth and let the algae cleaner to taking care of the algae. More importantly, EI does not kill or slow down algae.
    High five Shadow. I couldn't have said it any better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Filet-O-Fish View Post
    You should be the least concerned with where or what you're going to buy. Bro, wait till you get to the dreaded ppm values for each salt. That's the nightmare part. You just can't take the online calculators or for that matter someone's advice fully. You have to observe your plants...and believe me they'll tell it in your face. ( Am I scaring you?) You will have to go through the teething period for a few months and after that it'll be smooth sailing. You'll never go back to pre-packed fertz....just like once you use a Mac, you'll never go back to Windows.
    One of the main reasons why i decided to go EI dosing was simply that i was slow to pick up on deficiencies. By the time i picked up that the plants needed something extra, it was often too late. Now you are scaring me bro....hahahaha.... Just dialing in my Co2 now after running it at 5-6bps last week for the plants to make the transition from emersed to submerged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Filet-O-Fish View Post
    You should be the least concerned with where or what you're going to buy. Bro, wait till you get to the dreaded ppm values for each salt. That's the nightmare part. You just can't take the online calculators or for that matter someone's advice fully. You have to observe your plants...and believe me they'll tell it in your face. ( Am I scaring you?) You will have to go through the teething period for a few months and after that it'll be smooth sailing. You'll never go back to pre-packed fertz....just like once you use a Mac, you'll never go back to Windows.
    Out of topic - I am still using windows and android after trying Apple, just not my cup of tea..to each its own.

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    Fantastic news. Thanks Bro.
    No problem. Glutaraldehyde for you??

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    Quote Originally Posted by mercur1al View Post
    One of the main reasons why i decided to go EI dosing was simply that i was slow to pick up on deficiencies. By the time i picked up that the plants needed something extra, it was often too late. Now you are scaring me bro....hahahaha.... Just dialing in my Co2 now after running it at 5-6bps last week for the plants to make the transition from emersed to submerged.
    Don't worry. The trick to overcome this is simple. Whenever you see algae or plants not doing well, just repeat to yourself " THIS TOO SHALL PASS". Keep calm and do one change at a time.

    Take my tank for example. one week it looks so radiant with signs of BBA going down and the next week, new batch of BBA takes over. I guess this is what the folks call "experience"

    One awesome thing about EI is that you provide excess fertz so the plant need not get "stressed", the only other thing you need to pay attention would be Co2, lights and flow. With EI, you have one less thing to worry about. But you must ask yourself if you willing to be committed to your 50% weekly water changes as rightly pointed out by UA (post #12)

    BTW, if your tank has no fish or shrimps, you can up the Co2 more. Give the plants all the Co2 you can give but not too much such that it may make the beneficial bacteria go dormant. I'm sure you must have known about DC and all that colour changing stuff.

    Cheers.

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    [QUOTE=zerofighterx101;815195]Out of topic - I am still using windows and android after trying Apple, just not my cup of tea..to each its own.

    Yeah, I was also an Apple guy once but I had to join the dark forces due to my work related requirements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Filet-O-Fish View Post
    One awesome thing about EI is that you provide excess fertz so the plant need not get "stressed", the only other thing you need to pay attention would be Co2, lights and flow. With EI, you have one less thing to worry about. But you must ask yourself if you willing to be committed to your 50% weekly water changes as rightly pointed out by UA (post #12)
    Once you have more experience in plant growing thing, you can start reducing the fertilizer to the point 50% water change no longer necessary. Gain more experience and you can start to use fertilizer as a tool in your scape. For example you can make your plant leaf tiny by limit the nutrient . Hence, never ending learning
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    Quote Originally Posted by Filet-O-Fish View Post
    Don't worry. The trick to overcome this is simple. Whenever you see algae or plants not doing well, just repeat to yourself " THIS TOO SHALL PASS". Keep calm and do one change at a time.

    Take my tank for example. one week it looks so radiant with signs of BBA going down and the next week, new batch of BBA takes over. I guess this is what the folks call "experience"

    One awesome thing about EI is that you provide excess fertz so the plant need not get "stressed", the only other thing you need to pay attention would be Co2, lights and flow. With EI, you have one less thing to worry about. But you must ask yourself if you willing to be committed to your 50% weekly water changes as rightly pointed out by UA (post #12)

    BTW, if your tank has no fish or shrimps, you can up the Co2 more. Give the plants all the Co2 you can give but not too much such that it may make the beneficial bacteria go dormant. I'm sure you must have known about DC and all that colour changing stuff.

    Cheers.
    50% weekly is fine for me since that has been my regime currently. Used to do 50% WC followed by dosing the seachem products according to the manufacturer's recommendation. Hence, fingers crossed, it should be fine. Just waiting for your thread now!

    Yup, currently no shrimps and fishes. Did a dry start for the monte carlo but flooded prematurely as i rushed to get the scape ready. Beginning not to rely on the DC, seems not too accurate based on my own observations. I was using 2 DC earlier, one is the ANS brand, the typical kind of intank drop checker. Have another Gush Jet hangon DC, where it hangs outside the tank. The liquid in the DC has turned colourless twice, and placing it at a non Co2 injected tank for a day did not revert the colour to blue/green.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mercur1al View Post
    The liquid in the DC has turned colourless twice, and placing it at a non Co2 injected tank for a day did not revert the colour to blue/green.
    Thats very strange, never heard of indicators turning colorless... what kind of indicator solution did you use?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Urban Aquaria View Post
    Thats very strange, never heard of indicators turning colorless... what kind of indicator solution did you use?
    Using the ANS indicator solution mixed with ANS brand dkh4.

    It's turning colorless again now... Even though co2 has been turned down to 1bps since yesterday. Might get some oceanfree or ista co2 premixed solution to test out.


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    leakage maybe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mercur1al View Post
    Using the ANS indicator solution mixed with ANS brand dkh4.

    It's turning colorless again now... Even though co2 has been turned down to 1bps since yesterday. Might get some oceanfree or ista co2 premixed solution to test out.
    Yeah, that sounds like some issue with the indicator solution... best to use the pre-mixed ones instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow View Post
    leakage maybe?
    Only possible reason is that tank water got in, but even so, it should not displace the indicator fluid as based on my observation, no way the tank water can diffuse in.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Urban Aquaria View Post
    Yeah, that sounds like some issue with the indicator solution... best to use the pre-mixed ones instead.
    The weird part is that I am currently using 2 drop checkers.

    Actually bought the gush jet one as I wanted the tank to be as bare as possible, but as its a new setup, decided to go with 2 to test the effectiveness of the gush DC.

    The internal drop checker is perfectly fine though. Solution is exactly the same.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Urban Aquaria View Post
    Yeah, that sounds like some issue with the indicator solution... best to use the pre-mixed ones instead.
    Best to use BorneoWilde's. It's so hassle free. One bottle will last a long time. I change the indicator liquid one a month.

    BTW UA, is the indicator liquid toxic for fish? I've had my glass DC come off loose twice and I found it empty or filled with tank water.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow View Post
    Once you have more experience in plant growing thing, you can start reducing the fertilizer to the point 50% water change no longer necessary.
    Sounds sweet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow View Post
    Gain more experience and you can start to use fertilizer as a tool in your scape. For example you can make your plant leaf tiny by limit the nutrient . Hence, never ending learning
    Yes I've read about it. I was even told on how to make red plants more reddish by tweaking certain fertz by Aquatic Avenue.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Urban Aquaria View Post
    Yeah, that sounds like some issue with the indicator solution... best to use the pre-mixed ones instead.
    My drop checker solution turned colourless again. This time round, both turned colourless, though the Gush jet indicator hanging on the outside turned colourless way faster than the internal ANS drop checker. I bought the pre mixed solution today, and will monitor it over the next few days.

    Apparently, i am beginning to suspect that this is due to the Chihiros Doctor (twinstar copy) which i have installed. I googled and a guy using twinstar experienced his drop checker solution turning colourless as well. The change to colourless apparently is permanent as well, i shifted my drop checker to a non co2 tank and it remains colourless for the next day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mercur1al View Post
    I googled and a guy using twinstar experienced his drop checker solution turning colourless as well. The change to colourless apparently is permanent as well, i shifted my drop checker to a non co2 tank and it remains colourless for the next day.
    This is something new..turn off the chihiros and try again..

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    That could probably be the cause, since you've read about someone who uses the chihiros system also experience the same thing.

    Looks like the gas produced by the chihiros system gets into the drop checker and has a very strong oxidation/redox effect on the pH colored chemical component of the indicator solution, rendering it inert.
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    Your plants look okay. Compare to my one, some of my plants didn't even get rooted. Does anyone know why?

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