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    Re: 4ft beginner scape

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    Saw a junior silver arowana about 6inches in c328... Very tempted to add into the community even though I know will prob eat the tetras....Friends please stop me!! Hahahah


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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnenrui View Post
    Saw a junior silver arowana about 6inches in c328... Very tempted to add into the community even though I know will prob eat the tetras....Friends please stop me!! Hahahah


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    A colleague at work who had the same idea for his 3 feet tank too. We tried to stop him but failed!
    I have a feeling 3 feet will soon turn 4 feet then 5 feet and more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aza View Post
    A colleague at work had the same idea for his 3 feet tank too. We tried to stop him but failed!
    I have a feeling soon 3 feet will turn 4 feet then 5 feet and more.
    Hahaha I don't think my tank can get any bigger.. No space! Unless m parents want to get a bigger one for the living room (low chance) haha... But you think the aro will work? LOLLL


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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnenrui View Post
    Hahaha I don't think my tank can get any bigger.. No space! Unless m parents want to get a bigger one for the living room (low chance) haha... But you think the aro will work? LOLLL


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    Hmmm... aesthetically the aro would add more dynamism to top-level parts of your tank. It might also make your tetras shoal tighter.

    How's the bio load like currently? I notice you have discus too. Doing frequent water changes?

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    don't bother with the aro.. 3ft way too small to keep a aro, even juvenile. and I think the hunting might mess up your scape lol. but sure very exciting to watch. for awhile.

    *4ft oops

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    Quote Originally Posted by aza View Post
    Hmmm... aesthetically the aro would add more dynamism to top-level parts of your tank. It might also make your tetras shoal tighter.

    How's the bio load like currently? I notice you have discus too. Doing frequent water changes?
    Haha about 50 tetras (red eye, sepae, silver tip), about 10 SAE & 1 mid size discus and 1 juve discus

    I'm trying not to do so many WC also... Cos I'm running 2 power canisters.. What do you think?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gavan View Post
    don't bother with the aro.. 3ft way too small to keep a aro, even juvenile. and I think the hunting might mess up your scape lol. but sure very exciting to watch. for awhile.


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    Haha its a 4ft! Hahah it will mess up the scape?:/


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    A photo update... Hope you guys don't mind the photo intensive thread.

    An alternative view last night..


    In love with this fish



    Plants growing too fast...
    This is with almost zero dosing.
    6hr lighting
    No CO2
    Occasional liquid ferts twice a week?


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    yup I edited to 4. bro aza got me confused. I dunno man. what's going to happen to the aro once it grows to 1ft or more? I'm not an aro keeper but I figure predatory fish have a lot of things to consider. though katong112 has several aros in its 12(?) ft tanks.

    and nope AQ community don't mind photos. the more the merrier high growth is great. is that 4 x T5 tubes? no co2 injection but I believe CO2 from livestock respiration feeds the plants as well. though without co2, plant uptake of ferts might be abit slower. careful with the lights and ferts -> algae. otherwise, wonder if you can add some green to block that big block of wood in your night-picture. the blue discus really complements the green!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gavan View Post
    yup I edited to 4. bro aza got me confused. I dunno man. what's going to happen to the aro once it grows to 1ft or more? I'm not an aro keeper but I figure predatory fish have a lot of things to consider. though katong112 has several aros in its 12(?) ft tanks.

    and nope AQ community don't mind photos. the more the merrier high growth is great. is that 4 x T5 tubes? no co2 injection but I believe CO2 from livestock respiration feeds the plants as well. though without co2, plant uptake of ferts might be abit slower. careful with the lights and ferts -> algae. otherwise, wonder if you can add some green to block that big block of wood in your night-picture. the blue discus really complements the green!!


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    Haha... I put the aro thought on hold first then... Maybe instead of an aro I get a bigger school of discus?

    It is a 2 X T5...
    Maybe because the sunlight comes into the room causing better growth of plants? Haha
    I will remember to give less ferts. Trying to keep this tank as low dosing as possible because of the discus (not sure if will affect).

    So far I really don't see any algae! Very very happy with that. My 2Ft algae problem was really a pain haha. I cannot imagine scrubbing algae off the 4ft. Good thing I positioned the 4ft at a lower altitude so it's easier to upkeep.

    I'm not sure if I'm able to add any green there because the discuses seem to LOVE swimming around that pc of wood.. And it is already narrow enough haha...but what do you think of flame moss? I've always loved that look!!!


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    Re: 4ft beginner scape

    Those various stem plants in your tank (ie. cabomba, water sprite, rotala wallichi, rotala nanjenshan etc) are naturally very fast growers even in non-Co2 injected low tech tanks... so they are great choices for soaking up nutrients in planted tanks with higher bio-loads.

    There should still be ample nutrients from the aquasoil during this initial startup period, but once you start to notice the plants slowing down in growth and exhibiting weaker leaf condition, then its time to supplement their nutrient requirements with additional fertilizers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Urban Aquaria View Post
    Those various stem plants in your tank (ie. cabomba, water sprite, rotala wallichi, rotala nanjenshan etc) are naturally very fast growers even in non-Co2 injected low tech tanks... so they are great choices for soaking up nutrients in planted tanks with higher bio-loads.

    There should still be ample nutrients from the aquasoil during this initial startup period, but once you start to notice the plants slowing down in growth and exhibiting weaker leaf condition, then its time to supplement their nutrient requirements with additional fertilizers.
    Wow I'm learning so much haha... I actually went to google the names you gave me and now I know the names of the plants! Thank you so much! I didn't intentionally choose these plants but I got them because I like how they would look in this set up. I will supplement with ferts in the future then!
    Will you be able to help ID the shorter green plants I have in the middle of the tank? They are also growing very well and the green is very lush! Love them!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnenrui View Post
    Will you be able to help ID the shorter green plants I have in the middle of the tank? They are also growing very well and the green is very lush! Love them!
    Those are rotala nanjenshan, you can see them currently transitioning from the emersed form (oval leaves) to submersed form (thin spiky leaves).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Urban Aquaria View Post
    Those are rotala nanjenshan, you can see them currently transitioning from the emersed form (oval leaves) to submersed form (thin spiky leaves).
    Ohh!! That makes a lot of sense haha... I didn't think of how the plant will change in appearance when transiting from emerged to submersed form! Thank you... What will happen to the oval leave over time then?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnenrui View Post
    Ohh!! That makes a lot of sense haha... I didn't think of how the plant will change in appearance when transiting from emerged to submersed form! Thank you... What will happen to the oval leave over time then?
    The older emersed leaves are adapted for emersed growth so they will just gradually deteriorate and melt away after some time.

    Once the healthy submersed stems and leaves have grown out more, just cut and separate the healthy tops, uproot and discard the old emersed bottom leaves, then replant the healthy tops. They will continue growing from there.
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    Update: Everything is doing well, last night i did some maintaining, taking out dead plants and replanting some good parts. Topped up the water.
    I haven't had any dead fish for the past few days (it is a good sign haha).
    Blue bigger discus is very happy, always searching for food on the ground at it's usual end of the tank.
    However, smaller discus not doing well. Color is darker and it is always hiding at the other end of the tank near the heater, not really swimming together with the bigger discus anymore. It occasionally picks out food from the ground.
    Maybe I should just get mid-size bigger discus instead of smaller ones haha.

    Interesting observation: The tetras shoal better in the morning and afternoons. At night not so much haha. Anyone knows why?

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    AND, i also found out that my SAEs were not SAEs but Chinese Algae Eaters!:X
    Went to research and found out that they can grow quite large...!
    They are fascinating to watch anyway, always chasing each other around, in circles, sometimes in 3s... haha

    Random: the water sprite is growing very fast and very well. I love the look of the leaves!

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    Decided why not I just upload photos!

    A mandatory shot of my favorite fish:


    Some baby plants sprouting! ID pls!!:


    Growing water sprite:


    The Chinese Algae Eaters which I thought were SAEs (C328 told me they were SAEs):


    Random quick shot last night:

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    Omg inspiration...
    Photo from Pinterest.




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