ooh you manage to find your pipefish,where di you get it?
ooh you manage to find your pipefish,where di you get it?
Got it some time ago from Arowanna Avenue. Stock long gone. The seller didn't know how to care for the pipefish. I suspect that majority died in the store. That's why I am searching for more to breed him. Plus more varieties of live food for him.
Thanks... ..
I have both seed shrimps and copepods
I your tank I assume? Can I have some?![]()
I was at Arowana Avenue yesterday and spotted those freshwater pipe fishes in their retail shrimp tanks (they probably restocked them?)... i observed the pipe fishes happily chasing and snapping up all the tiny shrimplets (including shrimplets in the higher-grade CRS shrimp tanks, rather expensive meals), so i guess you could maybe look at starting a small breeding tank for low-grade cherry or malayan shrimps and generate a supply of shrimplets as live food for them.![]()
Thanks UA,going there today....![]()
Holy... THANKS BRO OTW NOW
By the way guys. Don't put them(pipefish) with shrimps. I used to see CRS shrimp attacking them in Arowana Avenue. Also, when I placed it in my shrimp tank, the amano, cherry, neon green and tigers attempted to snack on it....
You can feed them with Moina/Boon, which is available in LFS, Y618, C328, OTF, Seaview(weekends).
As for seed shrimp... most of the small fish don't eat them due to their hard shell. So better don't introduce seed shrimp to your tank as you gonna have trouble with seed shrimp boom if there's predator.
I already feed them moina, I simply want a better diet for my pipefish as in the wild, their main food is copepods according to scientific studies.
I'll have to disagree with you on that point. I already have seed shrimps since the start of my nano tank(with shrimps only) and when I added mosquito rasaboras, they ate 90% of my ostracods. Later on I removed the rasaboras and the seed shrimps are repopulating which I am glad for as ostracods are scavengers and can get into small crevices to eat leftovers and rotting plants.(My shrimps can't get into the gravel to eat the mulm) Another fact is that before I knew about the moina, my single gulf pipefish was fed only seed shrimps. Just now I fed another batch of seed shrimps and the pipefish snapped it up right infront of my eyes.
XD I didnt know copepods has better diet than moina. Interesting... Better as in what content??
Hmm... that is strange... I having merah and mosquito in my shrimp tank too but they are not interested in them. Probably different sp of seed shrimp?? Mine is around 2mm in size. Even my guppy & endler spit it out. =_= My samurai gourami at 1st seem to be interested after tried biting and spitting.. XD they are lost interest in them.
Hmmm.. probably yours are smaller seed shrimp??
I have heard that moina contains a lot of fiber and very little nutrional value unlike copepods, which are well rounded and can be found in the Gulf Pipefish(the type I keep) natural habitat.
My old guppies ate the 2mm sized ones too without care.I have many sizes. From 0.5-2mm are all available in my tank. When given the chance the mosquito rasabora harassed and ate the 2mm one too. O - O Did you know my Amano shrimps don't discrimminate too? I've seen the Amanos eat live Brine Shrimp, 2mm Ostracods and Daphnia. The other shrimps prefer live brine shrimp though...
PS: Before you all get on my case, I feed my shrimps pellets, boiled egg, leaves, vegetables, live food(as a treat), frozen food and more that I can't remember. So.... yeah. Varied diet.
Interesting... I only know that Moina has 60-70% proteins. Didn't know they has high fiber content. Wonder how's the copepod nutrition value are like. =/
That means my guppies, endlers, rasboras & amano are old man fish... don't like hard food. Amano are opportunistic scavenger... I saw my Amanos trying to prey on my sick rasbora merah before.
Mind sharing a picture of your seed shrimps? Kinda interested in the sp. Mine is whole white and black for the tiny one which is less than 1mm. 2 months back I got some new plants and found some seed shrimps while inspecting and cleaning it. The seed shrimps are really interesting as it's in shades of brown. Quite beautiful but decided not to keep them as I got bad experience of seed shrimp invasion.
Hmm, maybe I have mistaken it with the real daphnia species? Beacause many sites say not to feed to much daphnia lest your fish get diarrhoea and die. I'm not sure if they were referring to all Daphnia species or only certain types. Here, I also found some info on copepods. Check out this link for detailed information (scroll down for nutritional value) . http://www.fao.org/docrep/003/w3732e/w3732e0t.htmOriginally Posted by Bern C 830058
Indeed, it seems so. Currently the three I have are fighting over a piece of corn. Amano VS RCS- The battle of the night... or something ;D
No problem, I'll try to get a clear picture on all the different sizes of ostracods I have. The largest one I have is around 2.5-3mm and are super clingy. While a typical seed shrimp will run once I remove/touch the floating plant, the large ones will cling to the damned roots even if taken out of water. I have to shake or prod the seed shrimp gently due to this. Small ones(0.1-1mm) will hitch a ride on the SKL and the occasional Amano.
PS: How do seed shrimps even invade a tank? That sounds strange...
Interesting articles... Copepods and daphnia protein content probably around the same or daphnia might have slightly higher protein which also depends on the homogoblin too. Copepods have higher fatty acid compare to daphnia but not sure if it's both saltwater and freshwater sp. or just saltwater sp. Both are good food. So far I haven't come across bigger freshwater copepods. They are usually less than 2mm. As of Daphnia sp., Monia and daphnia is from different family. Moina seem to be hardier than daphnia and probably can produce more homogoblins to survive in oxygen depleted water.
No sure about the diarrhea. I have been feeding my fishes with daphnia daily, haven't encounter any problem.
A reason why I wanna get rid of ostracod is not just unsighty but also at times they are clinging on my shrimp's tail. My shrimps will try to shake it off.
For the tank, it probably accidentally introduced from the new plants in the past. But what puzzle me is that my daphnia culture got invaded by tiny seed shrimps even I have taken extra precious after learning from my past mistakes. I have tools for daphnia only. I also sanitized my tank whenever I start a new culture. But when the detritus build up, seed shrimp will starts to appear. I suspect is the tap water or something... Still trying to find out. But usually it will take like months and really lot of detritus build up then seed shrimp will appear. Once appear... I gotta reset my culture again. @_@ But another thing puzzle me is that, some culture even after months... no seed shrimps.. So kinda confused... still figuring out. =/
First picture is ostracods of 2mm-3mm on Marimo.
Second picture is of a nice batch of seed shrimps of various sizes on frogbit.(They're eating the plant roots, if you all are wondering)
But are the seed shrimps hurting your inverts? I've never seen the large ostracods clinging on my shrimps before. Only the tiny 0.1-0.5mm will cling for a few seconds before scuttling off into the gravel.
Maybe there were always seed shrimps in some batches, just that there were too little to be spotted until there is too much leftovers and the ostracods multiply till visible? I've heard such cases happening with other cultures... Like unwanted stuff appearing once there's an increase in food/ detritus. So do you have any seed shrimps that you can take pics of? Your seed shrimp colors seem interesting.
Hmm... yours and mine look like similar sp.. For my less than 1mm one which are rounder and black or dark brown.
Strange... >_< I have few batches of guppies and endlers but none eat seed shrimp. I am surprise that your mosquito rasbora eat seed shrimp. Interesting...
I doubt my shrimps got hurts. They looks uncomfortable with seed shrimp clinging on their tails and trying to shake it off.
Hmmm... I don't think so... I always sterilized my tank before I start a new culture. I dose chlorine bleach and hot water to sterilize. Then I netted and rinse the daphnia before adding to the new tank. The new tank using filtered tab water. Still find out the source. @_@ It don't happen to all culture but kinda random that some culture will have ostracod pop out.
Maybe ours are the same species as they sound similar.
My larger seed shrimps don't bother the shrimps at all (maybe its due to the fact that the other shrimps will eat them once bothered ?) My shrimps and snails are all pretty indiscrimminate, just like this saying," After some time, pets will take after their owners or owners will take after their pets." If you ask me, I'll say its a bit of both.I've seen my baby shrimplets of 0.5cm fight over food with a 2 inch Amano and win. They're all like that. Daddy's so proud of 'em.
Yeah what I mean is that in the batch of daphnia you net out, there are already a few (lets say 2-10 daphnia) in the starter you're taking from, so when you start the culture and things turn out bad once you're unlucky...
Do you culture Daphnia or Moina anyways? What is the size of the tank, if you don't mind sharing.
PS: Does anyone else know where to get copepods from? Still looking for a good price that isn't above $5... @_@
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