To catch or not?

**Simon** · 10th Apr 2005, 17:59

have to ask why is there a need to catch and photograph the subject?

**budak** · 10th Apr 2005, 20:02

I am not surprised (and don't blame them) if some of the volunteer patrol members are intimidated by a middle-age beng (and his entourage) and decide to play it safe out in the swamp forest. Anyway, from some NSS/NParks literature I just saw, apparently bringing in a net to the reserve without a permit renders one liable. After all, what's a net for if not....

**geoffrey** · 10th Apr 2005, 20:34

.....apparently bringing in a net to the reserve without a permit renders one liable. After all, what's a net for if not....

My exact thoughts too. I am particularly puzzled by that naive and gullible defence.

**budak** · 10th Apr 2005, 21:10

THIS is a good, if dated, personal view of the state of the reservoir parks from an angler's perspective. The first footnote reference (noting the extinction of 30% [now likely more] of Singapore's native fishes) is a vital read.

**dkk08** · 10th Apr 2005, 21:59

Originally Posted by hwchoy

let's see that list!

If u're talking abt the endangered list well I've only my own "records" which I've done over the yrs but its extremely non-scientific and amatuer

**Sky Devil** · 10th Apr 2005, 22:20

LOL. Look at this joke. That guy must have been feeling lonely because he is a loner who visited that lawyer firm to settle some "certs"
http://www.arofanatics.com/forums/sh...84#post2994884

*btw i know a little background of him to make this statement

if he hasn't done any of the following, why fire up? hahahha, joke of the day

**xxdivinityxx** · 10th Apr 2005, 23:14

Sky,

As much as we're not exactly his biggest fan at the moment, but i guess we should be tactful about what we say. Lets keep his personal life out of this yeah? I mean it would just bring us down to his level no?

Cheers,
Jerome

**ranmasatome** · 10th Apr 2005, 23:29

Well....i see this thread has blown up..lol...i said blown cos its in past tense. Anyway...have to agree with Jerome... dont wana to fall to his level there Sky..

i'm at a lost for words really... i would like to believe that the majority of singaporeans are not like that...however..recently, maybe just cos i've been at the wrong places at the wrong times that i just met so many of them... reading those threads and seeing what people are saying is just so heart breaking... could this be a possible sideeffect of being too metropolitan? so i'm not going to say much...except 4 words....

They should be Shot...

p.s. By the way Budak, there will always be people like that...just look at christmas island...classic example..and that was thousands of years ago!! probably why people like us exist.

**hwchoy** · 10th Apr 2005, 23:33

Originally Posted by ranmasatome

They should be Shot...

that is easy, there's a rifle range just further down the pipeline, you can't miss it

**ranmasatome** · 10th Apr 2005, 23:39

i got marksman..i volunteer if it is permitted by law...i'll be the first one there...

**loupgarou** · 10th Apr 2005, 23:41

presence of net is incriminating evidence

---National Parks Act---

Prohibited activities
24. —(1) Subject to the provisions of this Act, no person other than an employee or agent of the Board acting in the performance of his duty shall, except with the approval of the Board, conduct any of the following activities within any national park, nature reserve or green area:

(a) collect, remove, cut or displace any plant or part thereof;

(b) prospect, mine, quarry, excavate or remove any soil, sand, laterite, clay, stone, any earth substance or water;

(c) disturb or take the nest of any animal or feed, kill, injure, capture or molest any animal;

(d) spread, set or use any net, snare, trap or other instrument for the capture, destruction or injury of any animal;

(e) affix, set up or erect any sign, shrine, religious artifact, shelter, structure or building;

(f) clear, break up, dig or cultivate any land;

(g) use or occupy any building, vehicle, boat or other property of the Board;

(h) drop or deposit any dirt, sand, earth, gravel, clay, loam, manure, refuse, sawdust, shavings, stone, straw or any other matter or thing; and

(i) do any other activity which causes or may cause alteration, damage or destruction to any plant or animal or property.

(2) No person, other than an employee or agent of the Board acting in the performance of his duty, shall bring or cause any animal to be brought into a nature reserve or permit any domestic animal to stray into a nature reserve.

(3) Any person aggrieved by a decision of the Board made under this section may, within 14 days of the date of the decision, appeal in writing to the Minister whose decision shall be final.

(4) Any person who contravenes or fails to comply with any of the provisions of this section shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $10,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or to both and, in the case of a continuing offence, to a further fine of $250 for every day during which the offence continues after conviction.

Destruction, damage, etc., of certain objects, notices, boundary marks or other things prohibited
25. —(1) No person shall wilfully or negligently destroy, damage or deface any object of zoological, botanical, geological, ethnological, scientific or aesthetic interest within any national park, nature reserve or green area.

(2) No person shall destroy, damage, deface or remove any notice, boundary mark or other thing whatsoever within any national park, nature reserve or green area.

(3) Any person who contravenes subsection (1) or (2) shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $10,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or to both.

**ranmasatome** · 10th Apr 2005, 23:49

Basically put for those that can't understand ENGLISH and only singlish.......

Walk in there, deface/take/shift anything and if you get caught, be prepared to pay $10,000.

And you sit there wondering why the singapore govenment has to impose ridiculous fines on people for ridiculous things all the time. Seems illogical doesn't it?? well...not anymore...i know who they are meant for..

**hwchoy** · 11th Apr 2005, 00:05

wait, what constitutes a "green area"?

**dkk08** · 11th Apr 2005, 00:19

Originally Posted by ranmasatome

Basically put for those that can't understand ENGLISH and only singlish.......

Walk in there, deface/take/shift anything and if you get caught, be prepared to pay $10,000.

And you sit there wondering why the singapore govenment has to impose ridiculous fines on people for ridiculous things all the time. Seems illogical doesn't it?? well...not anymore...i know who they are meant for..

Ok I've a qn (pls don't shoot me for asking this

)
What if I've a garden below my house and its within my private vicinity or around my vicinity, is it still under any N.Park Laws?

(ok make that 2 qn to ask)
What if I'm working/worked at a place where it is a private property and if I've molested or obtained certain specimens, does it still constitute as illegal?

PS. Just wanna be 200% safe and sure... Pls enlighten me, we're always learning new stuff

**mrs budak** · 11th Apr 2005, 00:20

"green area" means any State land which is vacant or utilised as green verge of premises occupied by the Government, parkland, verge or traffic island in a road reserve, park connector, or any other area managed and maintained by the Board.

**hwchoy** · 11th Apr 2005, 00:23

Originally Posted by mrs budak

"green area" means any State land which is vacant or utilised as green verge of premises occupied by the Government, parkland, verge or traffic island in a road reserve, park connector, or any other area managed and maintained by the Board.

that basically means the entire country other than private properties huh?

**dkk08** · 11th Apr 2005, 00:39

Originally Posted by hwchoy

that basically means the entire country other than private properties huh?

Hopefully its other than pte properties

if not...

**hwchoy** · 11th Apr 2005, 00:43

must be exclude private properties lah, otherwise we don't need to do gardening liaoz. unless of course the other provisions such as cruelty to animals apply

**juggler** · 11th Apr 2005, 01:14

Originally Posted by geoffrey

My exact thoughts too. I am particularly puzzled by that naive and gullible defence.

The only time we visited that place, we fed the fish, remember? These chaps in the photo seem to be catching them. *sigh*

Remember also the volunteer park ranger we met saying that 90% of the native fish are found in the reserve? That's so little left...

**dkk08** · 11th Apr 2005, 02:04

Originally Posted by hwchoy

must be exclude private properties lah, otherwise we don't need to do gardening liaoz. unless of course the other provisions such as cruelty to animals apply

haha ok ok

At least now I'm safe to say I didn't break any law when I got my "little frends"

And yes it is very sad that 90% of native fauna have dwindled down to 60% or lesser sighz

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