Reply With Quotecan't tell....pic too small ..and I think the moss is quite unhealthy, so can't see ...all moss in poor conditions looked the same...
Hi any bro can identify what this moss is?
Thanks
can't tell....pic too small ..and I think the moss is quite unhealthy, so can't see ...all moss in poor conditions looked the same...
I would say Christmas tree moss...
A variant of Java Moss...
if you are referring to the Christmas moss, it is not closely related to the Java moss, they are not even from the same genus. Christmas moss is a Vesicularia species whereas Java moss is a Taxiphyllum species.Originally Posted by Khorne
You may read from the Internet or other aquatic books that Java moss is Vesicularia dubyana, be assured that they are wrong.
why I don't do garden hybrids and aquarium strains: natural species is a history of Nature, while hybrids are just the whims of Man.
hexazona · crumenatum · Galleria Botanica
if you are referring to the Christmas moss, it is not closely related to the Java moss, they are not even from the same genus. Christmas moss is a Vesicularia species whereas Java moss is a Taxiphyllum species.
You may read from the Internet or other aquatic books that Java moss is Vesicularia dubyana, be assured that they are wrong.
Duly noted...
Thanks for the info, but like I said it's a moss variant not genus species variant...
Not really into the scientific names and all, but it's good info though...
Guess you learn something new everyday...
perhaps if you can elaborate what is "moss variant".
why I don't do garden hybrids and aquarium strains: natural species is a history of Nature, while hybrids are just the whims of Man.
hexazona · crumenatum · Galleria Botanica
Youre the one with the scientific names and all...
It means what it means, a moss variant...
Please, we are here to learn from each other. If you have something to contribute we welcome very much the knowledge that you share. If you're just making random remarks, please use the Members' Lounge.
Hope to have your cooperation.
why I don't do garden hybrids and aquarium strains: natural species is a history of Nature, while hybrids are just the whims of Man.
hexazona · crumenatum · Galleria Botanica
Yeah and like I said I appreciate your input...
Hence me learning from you, I have not contributed anything except for the christmas tree moss identification thing which I am just replying to shaman...
From what I can see, the random remarks started in post #6...
No disrespect or anything, but youre supposed to be the section moderator here...
CHEERS
Don't be afraid of my duck!
What did Choy do? I think he's just being helpful.
"Variant" is an unhelpful term. For those of us who want to be precise in the identification of the plants and animals we keep (which is important, because it can mean big differences), it's good to know at least the basics of biological terminology.
Every organism belongs to a particular "species" (e.g. Homo sapiens, Vesicularia dubyana etc...). Some species of creatures/plants exhibit variations in colour, size and shape depending on their region of origin or due to the expression of different gene alleles, so you will have the different varieties of Java fern (Microsorum pteropus), populations of Tropheus duboisi with differing colours, and of course all the different forms of Homo sapiens.
A genus is like a surname, grouping together species which are closely related, "Poecilia reticulata" (guppy) and "Poecilia sphenops" (molly). A further step up is the biological family, which groups together related genera (e.g. Poecilia and Xiphophrus in the livebearer or Poecilidae family). Another step up would be the Order (Cyprinodontiformes or toothcarps), followed by Class (Actinopterygii or ray-finned fishes), Phylum (Chordata i.e. back-boned creatures) and Kingdom (Animalia).
Going back to the moss, the growing consensus is that the common mosses found in shops are almost likely to be all different species, and even different genera. Java moss is now Taxiphyllum barbieri, Vesicularia dubayan is the so-called Singapore moss, Xmas moss and Erect moss are two other different Vesciularia species. Ditto for the so-called Taiwan and weeping mosses. Precise ID can only be done by examining the cell structure of the moss under a microscope, as many mosses, when grown in poor conditions, turn out equally weedy and thin in appearance. Otherwise, our efforts are at best an educated guess.
Guys,
Think khorne is just trying to be helpful...although it turned out to be wrong. I also think that he is quite polite about it, admiting his mistakes...his moss variant remark probably meant just "some kind of moss"
For all purposes...I consider myself a "human variant" too...
Think we are a trifle uptight here...people should be given the space to say what they think, as long it doesn't harm anyone.
Hope I am not adding to the sparks....enough problems in the world what with the bombings, global warming and #$@! petrol prices etc...let's just enjoy our hobby
That's what we are here for...
shaman,
Like Khorne and budak expressed, the ID-ing of moss is almost impossible with the naked eye.
If you really want to know what moss yours is, pop over to http://www.killies.com and PM timebomb, the site administrator. He has contacts with a local professor who is involved in some taxonomy research, who can identify your moss for you. All he needs is a small portion of your moss.
Go ahead, bring in your fancy scientific names...
But please be warned that not everybody is well versed with scientific terms and most often laymen terms are best used...
How many people out there actually use or care about genus and genera and all that scientific terms and such ???
This is a forum, post 1 asked for moss identification, I gave him a layman identification term for it and here you "SECTION MODERATORS" attack me over something that was actually nothing to begin with... You could have just identified it and let thing be...
Youre supposed to be moderators, act like one and be an example to your fellow forumers...
Seriously both of you moderators really are acting like prissy little girls...
Anallitus Moderatus that's what scientist should term you people by...
Why can't you SECTION MODERATORS act more neutral and maturely like rocketshirmp and squee... A forum is a place where people with common interest hang out and share their passion for their hobbies... Moderators moderate not create hate...
Don't be afraid of my duck!
Shaman, do post a larger picture if you can to help the rest get a better idea, or as what squeee suggested, do a post on Killies.com where many moss fanciers and experts are regulars.
Khorne, I am puzzled why you seem so offended when Choy and I are just trying to provide information that helps hobbyists better understand the animals and plants they keep. We are of the view that a basic understanding of scientific names is both helpful (because different people/countries/languages can have vastly different laymen names for the same species) as well as not unreasonably difficult, and I am not sure why our attempt to clarify these aspects is taken rather badly.
You may not care about genera and species, but I am sure there are others who do.
Choy is merely correcting your use of the term "variant" and doing a service as a moderator in educating all readers of this topic about the basic terminology. He is not attacking you. You are being a mite sensitive here.
You are also rude, and I would propose that you stop calling people names before you post further. Perhaps you would like to share what your views on how forum moderators should be like?
Have a nice day!
Bro, thanks for your help. It looks like Christmas to me too.
Khorne relax, we are here to share and learn from each other. Hee
Seriously budak,
I came into this forum hoping that it would be different from other singaporean forums and apparently I am once again wrong...
What you moderators did was to single me out with scientific terms...
I did admit my mistake and I also stated my appreciation for the extra info that choy gave in post #5, then after that the 3rd degree started coming in...
Now tell me, how am I not suppose to defend myself when I'm being singles out by a pack of lions ???
"Please, we are here to learn from each other. If you have something to contribute we welcome very much the knowledge that you share. If you're just making random remarks, please use the Members' Lounge.
Hope to have your cooperation."
hwchoy
Don't be afraid of my duck!
I am glad to hear that many Singaporean forums impose high standards of behaviour like AQ. I am sure plenty of Malaysian forums do too.
You are really being sensitive in taking things personally, as if Choy's remark offended you to the highest degree. The clarification we provide is not to mark you out as 'wrong' but as a nugget of useful information for anyone interested to learn more about mosses etc...
When you start saying things like "No disrespect or anything, but youre supposed to be the section moderator here", I wonder if you are one of those who expect forum moderators to pander to your whims and fancies and close an eye when members turn a forum into their free-for-all chatroom.
Khorne,
It was just hwchoy's preference for more accuracy on details; perhaps it was put forward in a manner easily misunderstood. Most of us here, I'm sure, moderators or members alike, have no intention of making trouble.
Words typed and posted online can be interpreted in many ways. Nobody's at fault here. I'm sure both you and hwchoy have misunderstood each other.
Certainly, hwchoy's message..
.. can be interpreted both in a friendly and unfriendly tone. I'm sure hwchoy meant the former. And I'm sure you meant to be friendly too, for you tried to explain things in layman terms.
P.S. Yes, I agree most Singaporean forums are... well... Singaporean
Khorne,
It was just hwchoy's preference for more accuracy on details; perhaps it was put forward in a manner easily misunderstood. Most of us here, I'm sure, moderators or members alike, have no intention of making trouble.
Words typed and posted online can be interpreted in many ways. Nobody's at fault here. I'm sure both you and hwchoy have misunderstood each other.
Certainly, hwchoy's message..
.. can be interpreted both in a friendly and unfriendly tone. I'm sure hwchoy meant the former. And I'm sure you meant to be friendly too, for you tried to explain things in layman terms.
P.S. Yes, I agree most Singaporean forums are... well... Singaporean
I know some singaporeans very well and I'm just gonna let things be cause it's never gonna end...
I'm just gonna say my peace and leave it as it is...
Have a nice day people...
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