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    Arrow South East Asian Scapes! (SEAS)

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    Thought I kick-off a discussion on this, I noticed that there are more and more planted tanks and vivariums set-up based on South East Asian flora & fauna, perhaps a regional style is sort of emerging. I think it's a good thing! ...in a way is "our kojak style" coming of age?

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    I sure hope so

    One thing I've noticed though, we need to start helping people get past the barrier known as the "algae stage", or the fertilisation stage. This is the only barrier that's stopping us from having great scapes. So many of us are concerned about 30ppm of CO2, how bright my lights are, how do we fertilise blah blah blah. Everytime I look at a new thread started up in Aquascaping, there are more questions asked about the setup of the tank rather than "why did you choose this plant rather than this?" or stuff like that.

    Just random thoughts.

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    Actually, if you look at my so called SEA concept tank, only the fish belongs to SEA. The ferns aren't native to SEA right? So is anubias? But I aptly call it SEA forest style is because I'm trying to replicate the scene found in dense forest in the tropical regions. It's difficult to find any local flora that looks like Java fern? Did I say java fern? Comes from indonesia? I thought it originated from Africa

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    Well, did a search just now. Java fern is indeed from SEA, and anubias is from Africa. Perhaps I should remove anubias from my tank

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    Quote Originally Posted by wong1979
    Actually, if you look at my so called SEA concept tank, only the fish belongs to SEA. The ferns aren't native to SEA right? So is anubias? But I aptly call it SEA forest style is because I'm trying to replicate the scene found in dense forest in the tropical regions. It's difficult to find any local flora that looks like Java fern? Did I say java fern? Comes from indonesia? I thought it originated from Africa
    yes java ferns, there are other species from philippines as well. infact i think there is a huge diversity in the flora and fauna.

    What flora consitutes a S E Asian tank-- java ferns, crypts moss, driftwood, polysperma, difformis, .... mmmm....i think there might be some anubias species in SEA

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    Terence,

    I remember this thread on aquascaping technique sometime back, here's a extract posted by Chris which i find interesting-
    [QUOTE=loupgarou]
    Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 19:23:21 -0500
    From: Thomas Barr <[email protected]>
    Subject: Some Stages of the Aquascaper

    Differentiating from the plant _gardener_, the plant aquascaper has a much
    longer, and less frustrating path in development.

    "Gardening" involves the growing aspects of aquatic horticulture. This
    includes the physiology, ecology, pruning, aquarium maintenance and
    mastering the ability to use the "colors"... the plants themselves.
    I started off aquascaping with rock, next came coral and marine tanks, then
    driftwood and finally to plants both Marine and Freshwater.

    The "Aquascaper" uses the colors(the plants) to paint their design.
    Aqauscaping involves all aspects of design and layout. This extends beyond
    the confines of the tank itself as a well placed tank in a home, office or
    or other dwelling will greatly enhance the over look and impact.

    One can be a great aquascaper yet a poor gardener, but most are good
    gardeners first then later develop their artistic abilities with more focus
    on the design.

    Some wish to dissect the elements of the aquascape, immerse themselves in
    the artistic elements of space, design and layout. Some wish to focus on
    techniques such as attaching moss to wood for a natural effect. Some, like
    perhaps the majority of folks, wish simply to have a tank full of plants
    without algae and to have their choice of plants to grow.
    Most discussions about aquarium plants revolve around how to keep plants
    rather than design.

    Many people start off choosing plants that are not easy to grow for the
    beginner and change their design plans. Later, after a period of algae woes,
    they simply want to keep the tank free of algae.
    Many folks feel they need to work more on algae control and growing the
    plants than the aquascape. Some folks stay true to their original design.
    Other folks let the tank evolve on it's own.

    These stages are not in any sort of _definite order_ since many folks may
    jump from one area to another unlike many aspects of the
    mechanical/biological "gardening/hoticulture". Nor is this all inclusive nor
    exhaustive listing.

    Stage one:
    "Hey!, It's growing, I saw a new leaf today! I see pearling! It's
    Alive!(with a Dr. Frankenstein tone)". This stage is fun, but often the only
    goal is growing the plants but adding any plants to an aquarium is a design
    choice. Often, it's just what will grow in their tank and added anywhere.
    Many folks start off like this and later develop design interest.

    Stage two:
    How much of the tank do I want to use for plants? Many folks start off with
    the goal to plant only a part of the tank or sparingly. This is not
    surprising since most folks are comfortable with rock and/or wood already.
    Seldom do folks jump right into a planted without other aquarium experiences
    so this allows them to "stick their big toe into the water" without fully
    committing to a full blown planted tank which might seem a bit too
    intimidating initially.
    These tanks can look very nice depending on the layout and the aquarist
    design and ideas and is perhaps a sub area of design versus a fully planted
    tank. Many aquarist want the fish to be the main focus and the plants to be
    a secondary consideration. Floating plants only can be added to most all
    freshwater aquariums and can be included in this stage. These tanks can be
    done to a very level of design and impact.

    Stage three:
    the psychological disease known as "Collectoritus".
    This person wants every new plant that comes along (which includes most of
    us). This is a good exercise, though not at first glance. Since plants are
    the colors, learning how to grow each one of them is very helpful to execute
    later designs. You need the "colors" to "paint". It also helps the aquarist
    to get to know and understand each plant on a personal level and realize
    it's long term potential for placement in the tank design. Many plants may
    grow too fast for placement in a design

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    Other SEA species: Hairgrass (Eleocharis spp), many Hygrophilas, Aponogeton undulatus, Nymphoides sp., Najas spp, Limnophila spp., Potamogeton stellata, downoi, Rotala spp.....

    There are SEA plants which occupy the same habitat niche (growing by banks of fast flowing streams) as Anubias (and also belong to the same family), but these are rare and won't grow well fully submerged in aquaria. So I considered Anubias as good substitutes.

    SEA also has a Bolbitis (B. heteroclita), but this species only likes to have its roots wet, not leaves. So I think it's ok to make do with the African species.

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    Come to think of it, there is indeed is quite a number of SEA aquatic flora that can be used in aquarium.

    Not forgetting blyxa japonica and aubertii. This 2 can create dynamic river bank look. I remember seeing one of wynx's 6 footer, was gorgeous!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wong1979
    Come to think of it, there is indeed is quite a number of SEA aquatic flora that can be used in aquarium.

    Not forgetting blyxa japonica and aubertii. This 2 can create dynamic river bank look. I remember seeing one of wynx's 6 footer, was gorgeous!
    I don't know about aubertii but I'm quite certain blyxia japonica is not SE Asian

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    Quote Originally Posted by wong1979
    Come to think of it, there is indeed is quite a number of SEA aquatic flora that can be used in aquarium.

    Not forgetting blyxa japonica and aubertii. This 2 can create dynamic river bank look. I remember seeing one of wynx's 6 footer, was gorgeous!
    Thanks Wong...It is a 4footer..I supposed an illusion of width was created by the use of blyxa japonica...

    BTW, I am currently toying the idea of turning my one foot tank into something like yours...Narrow Java Fern, Crypts, etc...that would be so nice...laterz...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fei Miao
    I don't know about aubertii but I'm quite certain blyxia japonica is not SE Asian
    I'm pretty sure that b.aubertii is native to Singapore as I have seen big patches of giant blyxa aubertii growing at Lower Pierce reservoir a few years back. Couldn't possibly be introduced as this plant is seldom used in the aquarium.

    As for b.japonica, I have my doubts too. I've seen it in little patches somewhere between lower and upper pierce in a little stream. But I think Budak, in some other thread, pointed out that this is native to Singapore.

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    Blyxa japonica is widespread in East Asia, including Singapore (although it is very rare in the wild here). The name 'japonica' arose probably because the first specimens were discovered in Japan.

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    My 4' is dominated by SEA plants: Ferns and Crypts. Like what budak mentioned, i can't find a substitute for the anubias sp.

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    Having a biotopely correct tank is rather difficult, as nature isn't that artistic itself. Like one of the quotes in Nature Aquarium World, only human artifice can attain such beauty, for beauty is what we perceive.

    Ferns and crypts are allright imho, but I feel that we can certainly improve from the "all I want to do is to grow plants properly" stage. If you take a look around the Aquascaping section, frankly, it's all mediocre work. There's nothing that makes us go "wow!" or "that's really different from the norm".

    Perhaps why we aren't progressing much in aquascaping is the lack of reading material ( all mostly in Japanese after all) and the lack of time to maintain and experiment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by budak
    Blyxa japonica is widespread in East Asia, including Singapore (although it is very rare in the wild here). The name 'japonica' arose probably because the first specimens were discovered in Japan.
    I started with the preception that a SEA theme tank is dark, with java ferns, moss etc...
    ....Mmmm... so a tank bright and open....scaped with rocks, flora: blyxa japonica and hairgrass ; Fauna: rasboras sp. as what you see in some Amano's tank are in the SEA theme as well? That's something to think about...

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    Quote Originally Posted by |squee|
    Having a biotopely correct tank is rather difficult, as nature isn't that artistic itself. Like one of the quotes in Nature Aquarium World, only human artifice can attain such beauty, for beauty is what we perceive.

    Ferns and crypts are allright imho, but I feel that we can certainly improve from the "all I want to do is to grow plants properly" stage. If you take a look around the Aquascaping section, frankly, it's all mediocre work. There's nothing that makes us go "wow!" or "that's really different from the norm".

    Perhaps why we aren't progressing much in aquascaping is the lack of reading material ( all mostly in Japanese after all) and the lack of time to maintain and experiment.
    I agreed with you almost all of our tanks here are mediorcre, that's why we are encouraging more entries, especially the ADA contest, that a good bench-mark(right now not too good leh... for myself, hard to get a break thru with a 2ft and 1ft cubes but I working on it... (reading materials.... jap-mag-benny)

    Come on guys, we are living in one of the most bio-diversify region.... look around you...there got be some break-thru...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fei Miao
    Come on guys, we are living in one of the most bio-diversify region.... look around you...there got be some break-thru...
    You mean concrete walls?
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    look further lah!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fei Miao
    I started with the preception that a SEA theme tank is dark, with java ferns, moss etc...
    ....Mmmm... so a tank bright and open....scaped with rocks, flora: blyxa japonica and hairgrass ; Fauna: rasboras sp. as what you see in some Amano's tank are in the SEA theme as well? That's something to think about...
    I'm thinking that b.japonica scapes are more like Asian scapes, rather than specifically SEA scape. But if some say b.japonica is local to SEA, then also can be termed as SEA scape. Anyway, no big deal lah

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    Here's a picture of Blyxa aubertii, in case some of you have never seen it.



    It's a rosette plant unlike b.japonica which is stemmed. Turns red and pinkish under strong lightings and can grow more than 1 meter long. Propagate by seedlings from its flower stalk. Magnificent plant for a big tank!

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