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wow, u got chiller already bro? ... I also experience 3 apple snail dead after 1 week. maybe some dead plant they eat got poison... hehe.
2 horned snail and 1 bat snail found dead. Is it because they lack of food?
Or the water is too cold. The temperature is 22 to 24 degree.
wow, u got chiller already bro? ... I also experience 3 apple snail dead after 1 week. maybe some dead plant they eat got poison... hehe.
Haha... no chiller. Just my office aircon haha...Originally Posted by hii
do u have other snails in the tank?
Could it be other predators also? What other fish/ shrimps do you keep with the snails?
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Could it be my clown loach?
they look sly
It's your clown loach then. I'm told that loaches eat snails, but frankly I'm not sure if the clown loach does it.
My apple snail dead too.. When i pick up the snail, the flesh is still there. wonder what happened. Could be that I didnt open the plastic bag for 1 night when i bought from LFS and got ammonia strike?
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99% is due to your clown loach... Almost all loaches love snails... The horned and the bat snails don't have the plate thing that protects their flesh and are easily being preyed on. Personally, I find that apple snails are rather sensitive and die easily... Never managed to keep an apple snail alive for more than 2 months! They are the only snails I cannopt keep alive!...
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But i see the flesh is still there. The bat snail is not eaten clean.
You can't expect a fish to totally clean out a snail's shell would you? The snail goes back into it's shell after being touched so naturally there will be some parts of flesh the loach can't reach.
I have checked my bat snail... it flesh is still untouched. wonder if they are poisoned by ammonia in the packaging before I put them inside tank?
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You'll be surprised at how tough snails can be in not so good water conditions but they succumb easily to copper and loaches' spines (if any) poking them...
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Where does the spine of loach located?
The juggling apprentice fish
Wanna make a correction to my previous posting...
Clown loaches have this spine somewhere under their eyes... They are mainly used in defense... Dun think they will use it for predation but I am not sure... They could have used it on those snails...
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Definitely the clown loach.....when I was looking for fishes to get rid of my snails, this was named as a good choice. But they can grow rather big.
if you can read this, you are too close.
I know what a horned snail is but what's a bat snail? Anyone with an image to share?
It isn't due to the clown loach that the snails died. They probably died due to negligence on the part of the hobbyist. Shaman, you should have released your apple snails into a container and did the drip method to acclimatise them. Sometimes snails can get shocked by differences in pH or TDS and they might die from the shock.
Temperature only serves to slow them down a little but ultimately does not kill them.. unless however it is freezing point.
Loaches do not normally use the defensive spine underneath the eye in offensive tactics against snails and other fish. They use it primarily for defense. What they usually do against snails is to harass it and ultimately get to the foot of the snail, from which they will practically suck the entire snail out of the shell. Again another thought.. most loaches usually predate on baby snails and leave the larger adult snails alone.
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Back to Killies... slowly.
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I also don't seem to be able to keep big snails. My zebra snails always fall off and can't right themselves and perish. It isn't the fish because I don't see any picking at it when overturned. My horn snails also have the same problem, but when small, they can fall and self upright. However when it's grown to a bigger size, they'd fall and cannot right themselves. If I spot them early and flip them over, they'd be ok but they'd just as quickly climb up to fall over in the middle of the night when I'm not watching. Sometimes, it seems to me that they get these old folks' death wish when they grow up, which is 2-4 months.
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