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Thread: B. hexazona a strain of B. pentazona?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justikanz
    That's all history... Books are not as updated...

    you'd be surprised how little some authors know! the key is read selectively
    why I don't do garden hybrids and aquarium strains: natural species is a history of Nature, while hybrids are just the whims of Man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XnSdVd
    But where would I find these books? All I have is that one by BP and the science centre...

    that book is written by scientists, very good except for one little mistake regarding the hexazona/johorensis. when I find some time I will tell the story
    why I don't do garden hybrids and aquarium strains: natural species is a history of Nature, while hybrids are just the whims of Man.
    hexazona · crumenatum · Galleria Botanica

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justikanz
    then some ichthyologists developed the genus Punitus


    when scientists says "erection" do not blush. what they meant is "creating" a new taxonomy classification such as a new genus. so in their parlance you would say: "then some ichthyologists erected the genus Puntius"
    why I don't do garden hybrids and aquarium strains: natural species is a history of Nature, while hybrids are just the whims of Man.
    hexazona · crumenatum · Galleria Botanica

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    Quote Originally Posted by XnSdVd
    But how much does body structure vary within the singaporean population? That and since you brought it up. Why is it most books refer to them as Barbus? Oh and Is Boraras the proper genus for rasboras? And would you mind explaining the difference between puntius and systomus? And is johorensis a seperate species or the old name?
    johorensis is a different fish from hexazona, the scientists made a mistake

    here I reproduce what Ng Heok Hee (a Singapore scientist now at Michigan studying for his PhD) said about Systomus and also the confusion of johorensis and hexazona:


    First the issue of Systomus vs. Puntius. Systomus was resurrected as a valid genus by Walter Rainboth, who used it for small barbs with a serrated dorsal-fin spine, 2 or 4 barbels, and less than 12 gill rakers on the first gill arch. In contrast, Puntius would have a smooth dorsal spine, only 2 (never 4) barbels, and more than 12 gill rakers on the first arch. So, by this definition, many of the barbs encountered in the aquarium trade are Systomus (S. tetrazona, S. binotatus, S. hexazona, S. partipentazona, S. johorensis, S. gemellus, and so on...).

    Of course, this scheme is not adhered to by all workers, so some references (notably those of Kottelat) still refer to these as Puntius.

    Next, the identity of the six-banded barb. The correct name should be S. hexazona. The six-banded barb has long been misidentified as Systomus (Puntius) johorensis. However, the name S. johorensis actually applies to the barb that is commonly identified as Systomus (Puntius) eugrammus (the striped barb), a much larger species. Part of the confusion lies in the fact that young S. johorensis have a barred pattern very similar to that of the six-banded barb (the vertical bars break up with age and become horizontal stripes instead).
    why I don't do garden hybrids and aquarium strains: natural species is a history of Nature, while hybrids are just the whims of Man.
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    Woah... thanks for the info choy
    Have you ever thought of writing a book yourself? Considering you seem more up to date than most of the authors whose works are being published...

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    Quote Originally Posted by XnSdVd
    Woah... thanks for the info choy
    Have you ever thought of writing a book yourself? Considering you seem more up to date than most of the authors whose works are being published...

    write book! I know what I don't know, hence I don't

    eh, your signature mispelt Trigonostigma liaoz
    why I don't do garden hybrids and aquarium strains: natural species is a history of Nature, while hybrids are just the whims of Man.
    hexazona · crumenatum · Galleria Botanica

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    btw here's what a Systomus johorensis should look like


    why I don't do garden hybrids and aquarium strains: natural species is a history of Nature, while hybrids are just the whims of Man.
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