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Thread: Cheap and good (Mikrogeophagus ramirezi)

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    Great to see folks picking up on the normal Ram form!
    Personally I find it so much nicer than the balloon rams.

    I've kept Rams in the past and it was my first step towards dwarf cichlids.
    Hope you folks also move to apistos soon.. hehe..

    Benny, as usual, great photography.
    While it has good colours, however I do find the specimen a little too gaunt for a Ram.

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    Great photography benny!! Rams are really NICE and BEAUTIFUL fishes and are relatively easy to keep.

    The only problem is when you get one which you think looks healthy and a few days or a week later die on you. The symtoms are a bit white-tish and slight tearing of the fins which later leads to heavy breathing then The frustrating thing about it is it doesn't seem to respond to medication. I've tried the usual greenish/yellowish medicine, methylane blue, melachite green with formalin and still no use.

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    This was my ram...


    A truely beautiful fish to keep...

    BC

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    This is not the golden version, is it? But the top of the dorsal is SO red...

    'Was'... as in dead? Aww... Pretty one...
    Read me! :bigsmile: http://justikanz.blogspot.com/

    I'm crypt collecting... Starting cheap, now have Cryptocoryne beckettii, C.beckettii var petchii, C.crispatula var.balansae, C.griffithii(Melted! ), C.nurii, C.parva, C.pygmaea(Melted! ), C.tonkinensis(Melted! ), C.walkeri, C.wendtii 'Brown', C.wendtii 'Green', C.wendtii 'Green Gecko', C.wendtii 'Tropica' and Cryptocoryne x willisii

    Oh, juggling is hard work, man!...

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    It is not the golden variant. I had yellowish lights on my tank and I did not do a proper white balance while taking the photo. That's why the photo appeared that way.

    "was"... yes, unfortunately, it is not longer with me.

    BC

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    My rams died too... I removed 1 body last night and found only 1 swimming in the tank... 1 more missing...
    Read me! :bigsmile: http://justikanz.blogspot.com/

    I'm crypt collecting... Starting cheap, now have Cryptocoryne beckettii, C.beckettii var petchii, C.crispatula var.balansae, C.griffithii(Melted! ), C.nurii, C.parva, C.pygmaea(Melted! ), C.tonkinensis(Melted! ), C.walkeri, C.wendtii 'Brown', C.wendtii 'Green', C.wendtii 'Green Gecko', C.wendtii 'Tropica' and Cryptocoryne x willisii

    Oh, juggling is hard work, man!...

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    Saw the pair of $50 Ram being brought by someone from Eco-culture....
    still left a lot of fries inside the empty tank.

    What actually is the difference of this expensive one against the normal $2 bunk kind?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCOPE
    Saw the pair of $50 Ram being brought by someone from Eco-culture....
    still left a lot of fries inside the empty tank.

    What actually is the difference of this expensive one against the normal $2 bunk kind?

    From what I heard, there are a lot of ram breeders in the world, including USA, Germany, Holland (even eastern europe) and Asia as this is a staple aquarium fish.

    The Asian (mostly South East Asia) bred ones are much lower in cost due to geographical proximity as well as lower cost due to lower standard of living. Quaility of mass produced rams are often questionable. Sometimes, you get good stuff, more often than not, they are either lack coloration or are slightly deformed (deformed here does not mean selectively bred balloon or long fin variants). Also take note that most of the local rams are sold as juveniles. The larger ones are either left in the tank for too long or disposed breeding stock.

    The European ones are more costly due to higher cost per unit as well as freight charges. Rams from some of these countries are usually of breeding size already. This would also mean that the number of fish per box in a shipment is less, resulting in a higher cost . Color and body form are also quite good (although some, myself included, can't really see the difference unless critically scrutinized).

    As such, for the casual aquarist, a S$5 ram is as good as a S$50 one. But for cichlid purists, they would go for color and body form and hence may consider forking out more for them.

    Joe, if the Rams at Eco Culture are of good color and body form, you might want to consider taking home the fries.

    Cheers,
    I have dwarf cichlids in my tanks! Do you?

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    Benny, Thks for your inputs...
    However, those fries are too small for transporting i think

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    Take no offence but, wats so special abt this pair of $50 rams? i wld rather use this money and get many more nice little rams from biotope....sorry if i've offended anyone.....but rams' prices are quite standardised anyway, the price range isnt tt great anyway.....
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    happy news....the pair of rams i bought from biotope has bred!!! kinda happy cos e eggs were hatched on the eve of CNY, quite a nice gift for the new year!! the e eggs have hatched in "wrigglers"? not sure abt the name......lucky tat e parents did not have a feast on them!!! lets see wats next....
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    Its been 3 days since the eggs have hatched into wrigglers and this evening when I got home after camp, I was pleasantly greeted by the pair of proud parents together with a cloud of fries swimming close to their parents.....the wrigglers have finally turned into free-swimming fries!!! jus soaked 2 cichlid pellets in a syringe and shook them into a powdery solution before spraying it gently near the cloud of fries to avoid frightening the parents and e fries..... fries are feeding well with them stomachs turning brownish from eating the pellet solution......hope to raise them healthly to a good size.....

    cheers!!
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    Congratulations! What a way to start the new year!!

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    Congrats!

    I started with rams as well, but never had the luck in breeding. In fact, I had problem differentiating females from males.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cacatuoides


    Its been 3 days since the eggs have hatched into wrigglers and this evening when I got home after camp, I was pleasantly greeted by the pair of proud parents together with a cloud of fries swimming close to their parents.....the wrigglers have finally turned into free-swimming fries!!! jus soaked 2 cichlid pellets in a syringe and shook them into a powdery solution before spraying it gently near the cloud of fries to avoid frightening the parents and e fries..... fries are feeding well with them stomachs turning brownish from eating the pellet solution......hope to raise them healthly to a good size.....

    cheers!!
    do you have any other fishes in the tank?
    Nicholas

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    looking at the pics of the cultivated fish, it's a far cry from what the wild ones look like, possibly for the better in this case, ive got a few wild rams and they are lacking the brilliance of the cultivars, when i get a decent pic will post it to show the difference for yourselves.
    cheers , mick

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    there's only white cloud minnows in the tank......looking forward to mick's pics of wild rams!!!
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    here's a wild one , i put it in a small tank for you to have a better look at it,


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    Mick,

    Is that Mikrogeophagus ramirezi? Or can it be Mikrogeophagus altispinosus? The body looks kind of deep.

    Cheers,
    I have dwarf cichlids in my tanks! Do you?

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    hi benny, it.s the ramirezi, ive also got some wild altispinosus as well and about 250 fry , i prefer them to the rams , they seem to be able to hold their own in a mixed community of medium sized fish.
    cheers, mick

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