Microsorum pteropus "needle leaves" design

[ragn4rok]

Hi,

I will make a new planted tank in the future and need help to decide between these two layout. Which design is better?





Thanks,

Jeffrey

[rek]

i like the second

[Fei Miao]

2nd looks better but I would lift the wood higher...it's kinda of hard to visualise with the distracting background, if you can take a shot with a white or black background that would be better

[|squee|]

I find my eyes moving all around in the second shot, I actually liked the first but since you changed the angle at which the picture was taken I might like the 2nd one more after all.

FEi Miao is right, place those in the tank that you want with a white background. The overal effect changes dramatically.

[benny]

These seems rather broad to be "needle leaves" isn't it?

Cheers,

[ragn4rok]

Yes, it is. I don't know why they have become broader since I put them in front of filter output in my outdoor planted tank. When I bought them about 6-months ago, the leaves were very thin (1 cm or less) and 20 - 30 cm in length.

[V31]

i like the 2nd one. but i can also imagine the 1st one with right part moved back and to the left a bit

[Fishfanatic]

sorry for asking...a little blur here but
is that plant the narrow leaf java fern?

[ragn4rok]

No, actually narrow leaves and needle leaves are different. Narrow is just like thinner and longer version of Phillipines. It has beautiful texture on their leaves. Needle leaves don't have texture, just a wavy on the side of the leaves under optimal condition (good circulation, good CO2).

[michael lai]

Hi,
Have a good feeling about the first, I think with some tweaking you can get quite a 'sweeping' view...maybe a addition of a smaller bunch on the left hand corner and a little higher also. My 2 cents.

[Phillipians]

If you are able to get the gravel shaped in a slope of undulated at least then the first one will look better. This is to create a depth that will be lacking normally. Or you could create a mountain effect with those you have, heh, just a suggestion

[ragn4rok]

Thanks all, your ideas are brilliant. I will post the tank soon..

[ragn4rok]

Sorry, a bit out of topic because it makes me very confused.

Microsorum pteropus "narrow" from Tropica vs. Microsorum pteropus "narrow" from Singapore vs. Microsorum pteropus "Needle leaves"

I try to compare them side by side.



I think Microsorum pteropus "narrow" from Singapore is the same species with Microsorum pteropus "Needle leaves". My Needle leaves grows new leaves that looks like narrow from Singapore after being kept in my 685gallon outdoor aquarium with good circulation and 24hr non-stop water change. You can see the change if you look the 4th picture carefully. The new leaves are broader.

Microsorum pteropus "narrow" from Tropica




Microsorum pteropus "needle leaves"




Leaves comparison :

1. Microsorum pteropus "narrow" from Singapore ("needle leaves" ??? )
2. Microsorum pteropus "needle leaves"
3. Microsorum pteropus "narrow" from Tropica

I kept my Microsorum pteropus "needle leaves" in my indoor aquarium for 1 year and it never produced long leaves (see no. 2). After I move them to my outdoor tank, they suddenly change their leaves shape (see no. 1).

Can anyone here help me to make it clear? Thanks.

Regards,

Jeffrey

[Fishfanatic]

very helpful post bro. thanks for making it clearer for all of us. how do you prevent algae growth on the leaves of slow growers by the way?

would love to buy some java fern narrow off you if i were in singapore now, but i am not.

take care..

[rek]

very interesting reportage


in your outdoor aquarium what are the temperature?

in nord italy this are impossible in night the temperature on my garden arrive at -10°C

[cks]

Sorry, a bit out of topic because it makes me very confused.

Microsorum pteropus "narrow" from Tropica vs. Microsorum pteropus "narrow" from Singapore vs. Microsorum pteropus "Needle leaves"

I try to compare them side by side.



I think Microsorum pteropus "narrow" from Singapore is the same species with Microsorum pteropus "Needle leaves". My Needle leaves grows new leaves that looks like narrow from Singapore after being kept in my 685gallon outdoor aquarium with good circulation and 24hr non-stop water change. You can see the change if you look the 4th picture carefully. The new leaves are broader.

Microsorum pteropus "narrow" from Tropica




Microsorum pteropus "needle leaves"




Leaves comparison :

1. Microsorum pteropus "narrow" from Singapore ("needle leaves" ??? )
2. Microsorum pteropus "needle leaves"
3. Microsorum pteropus "narrow" from Tropica

I kept my Microsorum pteropus "needle leaves" in my indoor aquarium for 1 year and it never produced long leaves (see no. 2). After I move them to my outdoor tank, they suddenly change their leaves shape (see no. 1).

Can anyone here help me to make it clear? Thanks.

Regards,

Jeffrey

Hi Jeffrey,
IMO the needle leaf and the narrow leaf are still the same plant. It depends on the placement of the plant and the conditions in your aquarium for it to have 'needle' leaf.
A few years ago , another forumer Fazlee exchanged some needle leaf with me and over the years, these needle grew to be your version of Singapore Java Fern.
However the Java Fern Phillippines from Tropica remained the same. The Java Fern Phillippines are very distinguished from the Singapore Java Fern ( nee Narrow Leaf ) because they are bullated.
This is only my personal observations and should not be interpreted as conclusive.
Also have you tried growing the narrow leaf emersed ?
Please keep us updated.

[ragn4rok]

Fishfanatic :
I grow them under optimal condition (co2 supply continuously --> from 24hr water change, good circulation tank), so algae connot survive competing with this plants. Moreover, my densely planted tank also prevent the algae to grow.

Rek :
Tank temperature
Rainy Season : day 24 C night 20 C
Summer : day 26 C night 23 C

cks :
Thanks for the information. I also keep Microsorum pteropus "Phillipines", the leaves are more texturized than leaves-pic no 3. No 3 is Microsorum pteropus "narrow" from Tropica, and it doesn't change its appearance even I kept them in my outdoor tank. The leaves are very beautiful (Narrow + texturized leaves).

I haven't tried to grow them emmersed? Does emmersed Microsorum need a very high humidity like Anubias? Thanks..

Regards,

Jeffrey

[cks]

Jeffrey,
I have not tried growing narrow leaf emersed.

However I have grown all the other java ferns emersed ('undulata' & 'red' ) . I find that java fern are slow growers whether they are grown emersed or submersed.
As most ferns go they like to be humid and they do not do well if you move them about. If the growing enviroment is dry, you can pack the rhizomes with sphagmum moss and this will keep the plants humid. The leaves need to be sprayed frequently.
They do best if they are placed in a shady area.
Will try growing narrow leaf very soon. Have lost of it it grown submersed and use them for experimental purpose.

[cks]

Jeffrey,
I have not tried growing narrow leaf emersed.

However I have grown all the other java ferns emersed ('undulata' & 'red' ) . I find that java fern are slow growers whether they are grown emersed or submersed.
As most ferns go they like to be humid and they do not do well if you move them about. If the growing enviroment is dry, you can pack the rhizomes with sphagmum moss and this will keep the plants humid. The leaves need to be sprayed frequently.
They do best if they are placed in a shady area.
Will try growing narrow leaf very soon. Have lots of it it grown submersed and will use them for this experiment.

[lorba]

How big is the tank going to be?

Both the design seems very bulky and blocky. Why not find some other woods and try again?