Oops, my bad...I read too fast and thought anaerobic.
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just read the article "Tom Barr's Non-CO2 method" I suspect that I have a 2ft tank that is a success story... Except the high 55W light everything else fall into place as mentioned in the article.
due to high light, green algae forms on leave and glass wall... overall still a success with not major algae outbreak.
UPdates... Fresh BBA appearing on crypt leaves...
Is that BBA with Sugar or without?
Stop adding sugar since first posting... (~ 2 weeks) will not add sugar to see if BBA get a grip...
Once tank got bit more BBA infection, then I will add sugar to see if Sugar really helps...
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Just make sure it is done without critters/fish.
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Yes... keep the little fellahs in mind when you do that
fishes are all in... never out...
Sugar fit for human consumption, should not be a problem with other forms...
if done without fishes, test is not conclusive...
Fish evidently should be OK dosing at the levels you were using before. There is a risk from adding too much sugar. The bacteria that are consuming it and making C02 also respire and consume 02 in the process. If too much sugar in the water column bacteria could theoretically use up all the 02 and suffocate the fish. Same principle as with heavily poluted water with high bacteria load.
So reduce the light, add SAE's.Originally Posted by limsteel
UPdates... Fresh BBA appearing on crypt leaves...
I do not think you will find anything with the sugar, sucrose and killing algae any more than adding any osmotic substance.
You could be better control with Salt.
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Tom Barr
Still, it'd be interesting to explore it. That and there's a big difference between salt and sugar on a chemical level.
Sucrose = C12H22O11
Salt = NaCl
I'd imagine all that CO2 produced when the bacteria start breaking it down would have an effect on something... That and like plantbrain said, there'd be osmotic changes. Would the fluctuations have an effect on the algae?(please please please make sure you don't kill your fish)
OOh! just realised the most logical outcome would be a bacterial bloom. limsteel, has that happened yet?
Happened to my Co-worker's tank... He told me that the whole of his 4ft become milky, when added 1 teaspoon...
I added mine slowly, pinch by pinch daily, through the months, I slowly increase the sugar to 1 teaspoon a week.
well .. hope roast coffee bean not next .. lot of carbon on the outer .. cocopipiphohoho..kakaka
just kidding .. good try but like other user mentioned, the chem is in but need to break down...not just dissolve...
mk
Hmm.. so why doesn't yours cause a bacteria bloom? We know blooms end when the bacteria don't have enough nutrients to sustain themselves.
So logically speaking, slowly building up the ammount of sugar added would still yield the same ammount of nutrients. And still cause a bloom... Interesting..
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I think we are into something here. Some reefer in the US had by chance discovered that vodka actually helps them in maintaining some of their water parameter.
Limsteel, why not boil a certain amount of sugar into a certain amount of water to make a stock solution. You could then add a few drops of it as a way of adding fert to your tank. This maybe the cheapest form of fertilisation ever, it may not be a complete fertilisation but it may help to assist the plants to readily absorb it's food.
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Haha, I added sugar into tank already feeling abit funny... Now you tell me that US reefer add Vodka!They keeping Russian fish?
Anyway, the BBA in my tank no large scale spreading... but I can see those in there are new growth. once the BBA get out of hand, I will start adding Sugar and see how.
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If the logic for adding sugar is to use it as an alternative source of Carbon to CO2, then I think you might need to manually remove the BBA when you start to reintroduce sugar as carbon only enhances plant growth.once the BBA get out of hand, I will start adding Sugar and see how.
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That's true but i suspect providing more carbon might allow the more evolved plants to metabolise other nutrients that the algae might need. Also, i believe plants produce hormones that protect them from algae. An immune system of sorts.
Can anyone refute my claims? I'm not very sure on them myself...
Yes, but it's not an alternative, it gets metabolized by bacteria quickly unlike the AI in Excel which is a disinfectant.
Then it's(sugar) CO2, which is what you should be adding more of if you use CO2 anyway.
This is fruitless path, the only advantage adding it would be to relieve a very very lean tank, new tank etc, of a carbon limitation, note, this is organic reduced carbon, not the dissolved inorganic carbon like CO2.
Bacteria need the carbohydrates as much as we do.
Adding sugar to an otherwise Carbon limited system will dramatically increase bacteria populations.
BBA is easy to address if you know how to use CO2, that is your issue, these side street distractions never teach you how to grow plants better now do they?
It's about the plants, not killing algae.
Algae are just bioindicatotrs that tell me you do not have enough CO2/too much light etc if you use CO2.
Not enough plants, too many fish, too many water changes if you have a non CO2 approach.
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Tom Barr
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