Hi all,
lately, C328 has been selling altums (slightly smaller than 50c coin body size) at $5 each.
the uncle did say that they were not true wild caught ones, I forgot the chinese term he used, but they are cheap and healthy.
Share your views on this. I know there hsa been some fake 'peruvian altums' around lately. And since it was only $5, I bought 2.
What is your take on this?
I will share what I noted later.
thanks
I was told they are mix between altum parent and other sub-species.
I don't know whether the one 'true altum' parent is from Peru or not.
I understand there are 2 sources of Altums.. one from Peru (common one) and another one from err... (the one that Biotope is selling now.. slip my mind now..)
Last edited by Justikanz; 23rd Jul 2006 at 22:22.
I am new.
What and where is C328?
Where can I look for Altums in Singapore?
Thanks
Originally Posted by Lam_wn
Clementi Blk 328. Lots of fish shops but C328 is commonly refered to the one nearest to the claypot coffee shop, shop name florist something.
Real stuff.. Biotope, should be anytime now.
'Not true altum' C328 and many others.
Columbia or Orrinoco??
they are supposed to come from orinoco, but i wish the traders would stop calling the scalare from peru a (peruvian altum) if it was some other goods you could take them to court for misrepresentation.
mick
Perhaps Orinoco, but shipper said Columbia. They are the ones that every one loves. 2 landed in our tanks. 5 - 10 more coming. Very long fins..
Please PM us to place your order as some current ones (4 pcs) have been reserved.
regards,
Thanks a lot.
True Altums are referred to those originated from Orinoco, Venezula (P. Altums). They are more brownish hue in body base colour with some reddish streaks on their fins. However this differ individually. Port of departure will be from Columbia transit via Frankfurt, Germany and landed in Singapore.
The sub species will be Peruvian Altums (P. Scalare Altums). They are actually more silverish and possess dark near black bars. Their finnage also tends to be alittle lower, not as up straight as Orinoco Altums.
see what i mean david, youve just used the altum word, if it's a scalare how can it be an altum?.
we get both brazilian and peruvian scalare wild caughts but there is never a mention of the A word included, the sooner its dropped the better.
mick
I wonder whether anyone has been keeping altums successfully in water with PH much higher than 7. I saw a pond of few hundred altums at Max Koi farm. the worker told me the PH was higher than 7. The boss wasnt around and I couldnt confirm it with him. The altums are not for sale.
Maybe they are just regular angels instead. How do you accurately tell if they are 'altum' when view from the top?
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Concur with mickthefish. Altums are Pterophyllum altum. Pterophyllum scalare are not altuma. There is no such thing as a P. scalare altum. Let's try to keep things accurate in AQ.
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It is altum. Long fins, brown bars. The worker said they were the balance of a shipment more than 6 months ago. The boss was keeping them to see how they would adjust to local condition. I called the company later and a lady told me the altums were not for sale.
I visited the farm about 3 weeks ago. It was rare to see hundred of altums swimming in a large concrete pond.
You may want to visit the farm and take a look.
Hi mick, that's right. However, the name P. Scalare Altums are given by the exporters. In their price list, they states that they have got P. Scalare Altums instead of P. Altums. I think this is not right to misled their customers with another 'marketable names'. Whenever I enquire, I need to state that i'm looking for true P. Altums. When Importers buy in as P. Scalare Altums, they will pass down this same name to their retailers and down to end customers. Scalare will be Scalare and Altums will be Altums.
Talking about altums have not seen any at Gans for quite some time already. Any spotted lately at Gans?
Hello again,
looks like there is quite some discussion going on so far.
Anyway, IMO, the difference between Altum and fake cannot be hidden at all when the altums are mature, or atleast past the juvenile stage.
I think there are many webbies online that give a guide as to how to distinguish.
Now when discussing fake and altum in SG, we are mostly looking at fish which are like 50c coin size, which makes it difficult.
I have kept both the real altum, as well as the fake (basically a long finned scalare) these are my observations: (all very subjective, and for the youngsters I had experience with only)
-Fake has very long anal fin, out of proportion, and its other fins are basically just longer than the typical scalare
Altum's anal is not unproportionately longer, if longer, generally the ventrals would be most prominent
-Fake has black bars, altum brown (as mentioned already) this can be seen quite clearly when the fish are frightened and loose colour.
-Body shape wise may be hard to tell, as when young, the snout is hard to see.
All these said, it may seem obvious to distinguish them, but I still found myself in a dillema when standing infront of the tank that day. As I mentioned, I still bought 2 as they were lively and healthy and not too ex.
Now I want to ask if anyone knows the origin of the Altums sold in SG. Besides the wild-caught ones, which come in seasons, and may be fragile, are there any captive bred ones shipped to SG?
As an ending note on how the altums are doing: if you ask me, I will say they are real altums. It is really hard to belief - not only are they cheap, they are also so quick to acclimitise, feeding and swimming with the larger discus and angels in a day. I am no expert and cannot verify, so want to ask others who may have seen, what is your opinion? If I get a good pic, I will certainly post to clarify.
thanks
Hi guys, would like to share this thread:
http://www.angelfish.net/yabbse/inde...threadid=10911
I'm confused by your last paragraph which I have quoted here.. I have seen the C328 stock this week and they are NOT altum (at least those I saw). Though they are pretty small, but they are big enough to display the tell-tale-signs.
Bought 6 altums from sea view on saturday. Dollar coin size. I can't pick and choose, they sell in number of six. The aquarium kept them in water with PH below 6. I think it was low but they told me the altums arrived in Singapore in water below PH 6.
This is my first experience with altums, hope they can survive in my quarantine tank.
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