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    ADA Aquasoil cannot hold......

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    The ada soil I have cannot hold my toninia as it is too light or the Ada soil is not THICK enough. so can I now add those lapis sand on top of the Ada to hold the Toninia down.

    Anyone had try before or any advice is appreciated.

    Thankyou Verymuch

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    Hi Low,

    Thank for the plants

    As for your question, the uncle at 1 of the plant farm here told me you can add lapis sand on top, not a problem at all.

    Any more advise from the experts here?

    Cheers!

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    Thankyou. Will try this weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by low View Post
    The ada soil I have cannot hold my toninia as it is too light or the Ada soil is not THICK enough. so can I now add those lapis sand on top of the Ada to hold the Toninia down.

    Anyone had try before or any advice is appreciated.

    Thankyou Verymuch
    don't know how thick your layer of ADA is? imo, if between 2 to 3 inches, should not have any problem planting at all.
    don't worry, be happy

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    Quote Originally Posted by NDC View Post
    Hi Low,

    Thank for the plants

    As for your question, the uncle at 1 of the plant farm here told me you can add lapis sand on top, not a problem at all.

    Any more advise from the experts here?

    Cheers!
    i personally would not do that. unless you don't mind the "mixture". anyway it would not look nice at all.
    don't worry, be happy

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    Quote Originally Posted by riccia View Post
    don't know how thick your layer of ADA is? imo, if between 2 to 3 inches, should not have any problem planting at all.
    my ada soil is about 5 cm but when Toninia start to grow and branch(top part) they will eventually float.

    no problem for single stalk but problem if it is a bunch

    Thankyou Very Much

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    hm... I do not have that problem with my toninia, my soils is also about 2 inches. It should not be easily come off once the root grow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by low View Post
    my ada soil is about 5 cm but when Toninia start to grow and branch(top part) they will eventually float.

    no problem for single stalk but problem if it is a bunch

    Thankyou Very Much
    It means that in your initial planting, you did not insert the stem enough.. And thus the roots are not anchoring themselves into the soil...

    When they floated up, does the bottom of the stem contain roots? If it doesn't, it also meant that something is wrong with the growth...
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    what happen is, when my Toni over grown, i tried to rescape the Toni portion so I remove all of it and replant then those BIG bunch toni keep floating, I can't secure to the Ada soil. when i said big bunch mean 10 to 15 leaves in 1 big stalk........think of it maybe my soil is less that 2 inch......

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    Quote Originally Posted by valice View Post
    It means that in your initial planting, you did not insert the stem enough.. And thus the roots are not anchoring themselves into the soil...

    When they floated up, does the bottom of the stem contain roots? If it doesn't, it also meant that something is wrong with the growth...
    seem like not much root...but growing well......or could it be when I remove the plant the root is separated from the stem. I do see some stem are quite ROOTLY....

    Thankyou

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    Icic... Thanks for the clarification...
    It could just meant that the insertion is probably not deep enough due to the big bunches interfering with each other... Especially so when you try to pull up your pincher and it catches one stem and it comes up...
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    Quote Originally Posted by valice View Post
    Icic... Thanks for the clarification...
    It could just meant that the insertion is probably not deep enough due to the big bunches interfering with each other... Especially so when you try to pull up your pincher and it catches one stem and it comes up...

    BINGO...right on. that the problem.

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    One trick you can try is to insert the plants in the substrate at a slight angle... Anyway, that's how Amano plant his plants anyway...
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    Quote Originally Posted by valice View Post
    One trick you can try is to insert the plants in the substrate at a slight angle... Anyway, that's how Amano plant his plants anyway...

    Thanks will try this weekend.

    bye

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    Quote Originally Posted by valice View Post
    One trick you can try is to insert the plants in the substrate at a slight angle... Anyway, that's how Amano plant his plants anyway...
    Can try filter out the smaller granules of Aqua soil and use them as the top portion of your substrate layout. Otherwise can purchase and use the 'Powder Type' Aqua soil directly.

    cheers,
    zhan

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    i would think other wise.
    I used to have the same problem too.. it seems to me that as the plant grow more and more, their roots some how rot off, hence losing the grap. NA guy said that its because the soil gets colder causing the roots to rot... not too sure too but anyway these are what i went thru.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelvin72 View Post
    i would think other wise.
    I used to have the same problem too.. it seems to me that as the plant grow more and more, their roots some how rot off, hence losing the grap. NA guy said that its because the soil gets colder causing the roots to rot... not too sure too but anyway these are what i went thru.
    I though only when the temp is high then it melt.........

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    if you go to NA, you will notice that he has this heater which is to be placed together in the soil.... he was explaining to me but i dont undertstand.. maybe some expert here can help out.

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    Hi,

    Someone ever explain to me that the heater is used to spread the nutrients evenly around the base by use of convection or soomething. Do not quite remember the terms. And because the weather oversea can get really cold thats why heater is needed too. As Singapore weather do not reach that level of coldness. It is really not necessary as it will cause the tank to get quite hot and you will have to invest in a chiller just to get the temperature down. In other words, waste of money cooling down the heat you created.

    Any experts can verify of this is true and any point that is wrong or missed out?

    Thanks

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    The heater concept is to prevent anerobic condition in the substrate...
    But since low is using ADA soil, anerobic condition should not occur as the size of ADA is perfect for aeration of the roots and allowing the roots to grow...

    If you have seen a fully ADA setup (like the one in EcoCulture), you will see the roots going straight down from the top of the substrate to the PowerSoil below... No bending or twisting of the roots...

    And if you see NA's tank, they are using lapis (?), and lapis do clump together and give a perfect condition for anerobic and thus the roots die off and your plant suffer and your plant floats...

    So, like NDC say, ignore the substrate heater concept for our type of environment... Grow the plant well, the roots will automatically be healthy... And your plant will stay rooted...
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