Apistogramma diplotaenia - Cave Spawner or Open Spawner?

[valice]

ps. not all apistos are cave spawners

Yup. Like A.diplotaenia, which spawn on open sand.

[Milk]

Erumm....I strongly disagree with this vincent...These are all the mis-conception for all Apisto keeper...Yes,according to Romer's Atlas 1, A.Diplotaenia are sand dweller but many Apisto keeper have sucessfully breed them inside a non-sand base tank...From what i have learn & observed,living condition and water parameter plays a really big part in keeping & spawning them..substrate will actually bring out the beauty of these fishes better only..These are mine personnal view and i seriously hope that by sharing these information,we can interest more people into Apisto keeping expecially those rarer and much more beautiful species...

I have sucessfully bred these beautiful species of Drawf cichlid
See here==>http://www.aquaticquotient.com/forum...ad.php?t=26674

And Ruisheng have done it on Lapis if i'm not wrong...
See Here==>http://www.aquaticquotient.com/forum...ad.php?t=26994


Regards
Milk

[valice]

Erumm....I strongly disagree with this vincent...These are all the mis-conception for all Apisto keeper...Yes,according to Romer's Atlas 1,A.Diplotaenia are sand dweller but many Apisto keeper have sucessfully breed them inside a non-sand base tank...From what i have learn & observed,living condition and water parameter plays a really big part in keeping & spawning them..substrate will actually bring out the beauty of these fishes better only..T

It is true that the apisto do not need the sand to spawn. Should have just said open spawner. But does your A.diplotaenia spawn on a cave? That is the crux of that statement. If they do spawn by adhering the eggs on the cave, then it is a nice finding and I have learnt something new.

[yorky]

But does your A.diplotaenia spawn on a cave? That is the crux of that statement. If they do spawn by adhering the eggs on the cave, then it is a nice finding and I have learnt something new.

Hello Vince,
Mine did.
Maybe it wasn't an A.diplotaenia after all.. hehe.

Am a newbie after all.

[valice]

So they do adhere to the cave like any other apistogrammas? That's interesting. Learnt something new. Then would that mean that if there are caves around, they will choose to spawn on the cave and not scatter the eggs on the substrate?

Btw, your last statement's grammar not really correct. Should be WAS a newbie after all.

[genes]

Am a newbie after all.

Haaa.. the guru has spoken... No concrete comment cause never breed them before. Sold my only juvenile pair soon after i got them.

I believe in the wild, because of their habitat, they do not have much hiding place except grass, maybe leaves and open sand bed. Generally, Apistos would still prefer to spawn in area where it is save to protect their eggs and hide them from view. Thats why Ap. Diplotaenia in the wild dig a hole in the sand bed to lay their eggs. Some degree of security at least.

[yorky]

The same pair I had spawned twice.. once on the cave and once in the same cave but on the substrate(would that constitute open spawner?).
And both times with no dithers to make them feel threatened.
So I can't say much.
Anyhow, I feel that what Eugene said made sense.. "some degree of security at least".

[leeruisheng]

The same pair I had spawned twice.. once on the cave and once in the same cave but on the substrate(would that constitute open spawner?).

If the definition of open means the same as open air, then it means that it is outside rather than in a cave/building. So if your diplo has spawned once on the outside of the cave then should be considered as open spawner. Just my view.

[valice]

Err. I seriously think I have been using all the wrong terms here. How about substrate/floor spawner? This is getting abit confusing.

Wilson, does yours spawn on the walls of the pot/cave or spawn on the floor of the cave/pot?

[yorky]

ok ok since we are getting into semantics here..
It spawned on the inside of a cave once.. and once inside the cave but on the substrate..
As usual, no pics to show unfortunately.

[leeruisheng]

Haaa.. the guru has spoken... No concrete comment cause never breed them before. Sold my only juv pair soon after i got them.

I believe in the wild, because of their habitat, they do not have much hiding place except grass, maybe leaves and open sand bed. Generally, Apistos would still prefer to spawn in area where it is save to protect their eggs and hide them from view. Thats why Ap. Diplotaenia in the wild dig a hole in the sand bed to lay their eggs. Some degree of security at least.

Your Ap. Diplotaenia is in my safe hands i hope? and its growing up well. No worries. I can verify that Ap. Diplotaenia will dig a hole. I've separated the male from the female and fries. My 2ft tank is partitioned into halves, so the male is at the other half. And in that space, only consist of a flat lapis sand and a submerged bag of peat. After few days, I witnessed the male digging out a hole underneath the bag of peat. And the hole is quite nicely constructed like a military bunker.

[benny]

Mervin has spawned A. diplotaenia before. Perhaps he can share his experience.

Cheers,

[leeruisheng]

Err. I seriously think I have been using all the wrong terms here. How about substrate/floor spawner? This is getting abit confusing.

Wilson, does yours spawn on the walls of the pot/cave or spawn on the floor of the cave/pot?

Happy New Year. Sorry cant tell. All I know is that the female spawned in the cave of a driftwood. But whether its on the cave or floor cant see, so cant tell. And I'm not using pots.

[Milk]

It is true that the apisto do not need the sand to spawn. Should have just said open spawner. But does your A.diplotaenia spawn on a cave? That is the crux of that statement. If they do spawn by adhering the eggs on the cave, then it is a nice finding and I have learnt something new.

Like what i have observed from my 2 pair ofr A.Diplo,they are housed inside a tank with only ADA soil...Both pair are doing well and Spawning...

Like what ruisheng have observed,they usually spawn under the cave of the driftwood and we can't really see where the female place her eggs.

I strongly agree with Genes on what he have said about a degree of security...

Once all the fries grown up,And the female is ready,I will do an experiment to prove this point...
I will remove the driftwood inside the tank and replace with only pots..

Hopefully with this new finding,we can encourage more people to try keeping the more exotic & beautiful Apisto...

Regards
Milk

[valice]

It would be nice if we know more about A.diplotaenia as they are such beautiful fishes and with you guys breeding them away, it would be good for other interested hobbyist to purchase from you guys and enjoy the fish as well.

[mervin]

"When you need to go, YOU NEED TO GO ~! "

Personally I have spawned Apistos in caves (Clay pots), under log wood, on the tank glass panel and on the leaves on my plants.

As fo A.diplotaenia , i have expericened 2 spawnings and they did it once inside cave and once on the side of a drift wood(outside)

All my spawning tanks are fill with ADA Aqua Soil and i personnally feel that water quailty and low pH does the trick.

Others may have expericenced different types of spawning patterns but as long as they spawn so be it, just have fun and enjoy it.

Books are always guides and never to be taken as a "biblical truth", the authors may have successed in spawning because he has set the parrameters while others have also suceessed with other condition.