Apistogramma sp. "Breitbinden" Sao Gabriel red cheek

**Wackytpt** · 20th Jun 2007, 10:29

Hi Yorky,

i am indeed over the moon. Hopefully I can successfully raise up this batch of fries.

The tank water PH is around 5.5

**trident** · 20th Jun 2007, 12:28

Nicholas,
Congrats on the spawn, sure would like to see pics of the fries.
Richard

**PLee** · 23rd Jun 2007, 01:23

wow... become grandpa liew !!!!

**caseyhoo** · 27th Jun 2007, 08:13

Congratulations...

**leeruisheng** · 12th Aug 2007, 16:28

Congrats on the spawn. Any photos update of the parent?

**joopsg** · 12th Aug 2007, 16:30

The parents had perished if I am not wrong.

**mematrix** · 20th Dec 2013, 02:22

I acquired theses last sat they are young and were called Apistogramma sp Sao Gabriel wondering if they are the apistogramma sp. breitbinden red cheeks here are Pics

**EdwinTay** · 20th Dec 2013, 07:23

hi bros

Firstly, congratulations bro Wackytpt.

Secondly - are Breitbindens the same as Megapteras?

and finally,
where can I get Breitbindens?

**stormhawk** · 21st Dec 2013, 03:21

mematrix is from the US and to find Breitbinden here now is not so easy.

@mematrix, sorry but the fish are showing their stress coloration. You need to give them time to settle in and watch as their colors develop and then compare them to available photos online for the population/form in question.

@EdwinTay, possibly not the same fish. Read this entry for more info:
http://apisto.sites.no/fish.aspx?Fis...370&gruppeId=1

IIRC, true Breitbinden have an impressive set of extended dorsal fin rays and the color scheme is quite distinctive on their own. This is the "Breitbinden" that I remember seeing long ago locally: http://www.hrs19a.net/aquarium/photo...reitbinden.jpg (Photo from a Japanese site hrs19a.net)

http://www.apistogramma.com/forum/in...d-cheek.14955/ <-- this link contains some info from Mike Wise.

**mematrix** · 21st Dec 2013, 04:30

Originally Posted by EdwinTay

hi bros

Firstly, congratulations bro Wackytpt.

Secondly - are Breitbindens the same as Megapteras?

and finally,
where can I get Breitbindens?

Originally Posted by stormhawk

mematrix is from the US and to find Breitbinden here now is not so easy.

@mematrix, sorry but the fish are showing their stress coloration. You need to give them time to settle in and watch as their colors develop and then compare them to available photos online for the population/form in question.

@EdwinTay, possibly not the same fish. Read this entry for more info:
http://apisto.sites.no/fish.aspx?Fis...370&gruppeId=1

IIRC, true Breitbinden have an impressive set of extended dorsal fin rays and the color scheme is quite distinctive on their own. This is the "Breitbinden" that I remember seeing long ago locally: http://www.hrs19a.net/aquarium/photo...reitbinden.jpg (Photo from a Japanese site hrs19a.net)

http://www.apistogramma.com/forum/in...d-cheek.14955/ <-- this link contains some info from Mike Wise.

Thank You for your replies and info yes finding them breitbinden here in states is difficult I got my fingers crossed that i lucked out and yes they are young and still need maturing for positive id I do have a breeder here in states that has megaptera and when his spawn im in line

also working on getting some Apistogramma sp. Wilhelmi. AKA "Abacaxis" also they have finally hit USA

Simcerely Curtis

**stormhawk** · 23rd Dec 2013, 03:44

If they are red cheeks then the markings on the gill covers will show themselves during the threat display of the males. Good luck with the fish mate, hope they spawn for you soon.

**EdwinTay** · 23rd Dec 2013, 08:25

hi bro Stormhawk. Thanks for all the info.

The reason I asked is that I am stuck with 1 megaptera spangle & 1 breitbinden (they look the same to me). I am not really sure if they are both females or not but, I have put them together - so far no fighting but....no breeding too...sigh!!!

**stormhawk** · 25th Dec 2013, 10:36

Well, there's a bit of confusion where megaptera is concerned. The photos in the original description are those of A. sp. "Breitbinden" but according to the physical traits mentioned in the paper, it conforms to that of A. sp. "Breitbinden-Kurzlappen" aka A166. If you have the Cichlid Atlas 1 and 2 by Romer I think you can compare the image to your megaptera if it's in either Atlas. A whole discussion is seen here:

http://www.apistogramma.com/forum/in...olombia.12494/

Based on the info within, A164 is the true "Breitbinden", A165 is the Red Cheek aka Sao Gabriel, A166 is megaptera aka cf.sp. "Breitbinden-Kurzlappen".