Where to find rummy nose tetras?

[luenny]

Hi all,
Does anybody know where to find the rummy nose that the uncle at Colouful Aquarium (CA) uses for his planted tank during aquarama? I went to his shop a few times already and each time the stock came, it was sold out within a day. Does anyone know where else to find it?

He said it is different from the common rummy nose, those he still have a lot but those are not what I'm looking for.

- Luenny

[illumnae]

could you describe them in greater detail? =) polyart has in a batch of what they call "asia rummy nose"...no idea what that means but it may be what you're looking for =)

[luenny]

Don't really know how to describe. Body looks whiter than the normal rummies, head is more intense red and tail pattern is less distinct.

Went to Polyart to have a look at their Asian rummies. Don't think they are the same. Tail no pattern, head not red. I was told that the head will be very intense red when they're stable. Bought a few to try out.

Still looking for the actual ones they use for the competition.

[Quixotic]

luenny is looking for Hemigrammus bleheri. Asian rummy noses are Sawbwa resplendens. Use scientific names whenever possible.

[CK Yeo]

Yes, there are a couple of tetras floating around in the market as rummynose tetra.

http://www.characin.com/carey/articl...rummynose.html
http://www.characin.com/carey/articl...mmynose_2.html

ck

[luenny]

luenny is looking for Hemigrammus bleheri. Asian rummy noses are Sawbwa resplendens. Use scientific names whenever possible.

Hi Quixotic,
Thanks, I think you're right, the one I bought looks like Sawbwa resplendens - well actually, polyart says Asian Rummy Nose is hemigrammus rhodostomus on their blog site.

The thing is, I always thought Hemigrammus bleheri is the common rummy nose? That's why I got confuse because I thought the one that the uncle at CA says is common rummy nose is Hemigrammus Bleheri and this is some new one. Ok, thanks for clearing the air. Will continue looking for it.

Sidetrack a bit, do you know the scientific name for golden rummy nose? Can't seem to find much info about it on the web using common name.

- Luenny

[bryan]

Rummy Nose are very particular about living conditions. If its not to their liking they will not color up.

[Quixotic]

There are actually 3 species that look alike to one another, check CK Yeo's link for more. I am of the belief that Hemigrammus bleheri is the most commonly available, but I am sure someone will have different opinions, it is not easy to tell them apart.

These are actually Characins and Sawbwa resplendens are Cyprinids. It is actually pretty easy to tell them apart via the presence/absence of adipose fins. Go figure out.

I *think* the golden rummynoses are actually albino versions of the Characins.

[luenny]

Actually I've seen the CK Yeo's link even before posting this. However, when it comes to the actual thing, I still can't tell them apart. All I know is when the uncle at CA put the two different rummies side by side, they do look different, but I really don't know which is H. Bleheri or H. Rhodostomus or Petitella Georgiae. The 2 at CA really look alike and I think they are actually 2 of the 3 rummies species but can't really tell which is which.

As for Sawbwa resplendens, yeah, they are easy to tell apart, that much I can figure out.

Ok, here's where the confusion lies. I can't really see the difference between the black line on both so that's 1 down. But when it comes to the other features here's what I observed:
The one I am looking for has:
- Redder head (which may indicate that it is h. bleheri)
- Lighter, fainter tail marking (which may indicate that it is h. rhodostomus)

So, still confuse as to which is which. Also, would help if I know where to find it for another round of close examination. Thanks.

- Luenny

[Quixotic]

I don't think you can have it both ways, H. bleheri has the most red, H. rhodostomus has the least tail markings. Just get whichever that is more appealing to you, go CA and compare it side by side, decide which one fits the bill.

Are the subtle differences really bother you that much? Unless you stare real hard and scrutinise them in your tank, I don't think most would be able to tell which exact species they are. I don't think most would bother either, they would just go... "Ah, rummy noses..."

[luenny]

Hi Quixotic,
Sorry for the misunderstanding. I am just trying to find out which is which. Just that the one I want seems to have less marking on the tail and the head looks redder - well maybe it's because of the water condition since they're in different tank. That's why it is confusing to me.

The problem with that is, the uncle only have a handful left for sale (less than 10) and I am looking for more. So I was wondering where to get them. And like you say, it would help me if I know the scientific name. So that's why I am asking about them.

So that's what the whole thread is about, the CA uncle doesn't know what to call them (he just says they're new rummy nose) and he doesn't have enough for me. If he has enough to sell me, then I would not bother so much about the names because after all like you say, they're just rummy noses.

Well, guess I'll give him a call and see if he has any new stock or not. Thanks.

- Luenny

[Quixotic]

Ah I see. Can't help you with the identification, unless you can get a good picture of both.

And yes, you are right. The coloration depends on the environment, so what you see may not be the actual trait.

The normal aquarist would also have trouble telling the species apart, so any sightings of what you wanted may not be correct as well. Even the more experienced aquarists may get it wrong sometimes.

Yeah, it would probably be better to go back to CA uncle and ask him for the type you wanted since he was the one who showed you the different species in the first place. So he would know which exactly you wanted.

[luenny]

Hi Quitoxic,
Yeah, thanks for the help. I've been looking at various pictures on the net on H. bleheri and H. rhodostomus and I think the one that I want is H. bleheri. From some pictures, the tail of H. bleheri - although it is suppose to have broader black stripe - looks less black because of the white stripes beside the black ones. For H. rhodostomus the white tail is a bit off white towards yellow and that may be why I mistook it as having more black on the tail.

Anyway, good news is the uncle says there'll be new stock soon. And since he won't give me a call when they're here, now I just have to call him up everyday to bug him.

Thanks for your help again.

- Luenny