reebok4190's new Altum Angels!!!

[tanhb]

CK actually posted Heiko's write up on the key differences in post #10 in 2007, a year ago.

Yes, I read that article before. After your post I went back to read it again, it does make sense that what we see in Singapore are more toward Rio Negro Altum (P. scalare) and not P. altum, Atabapo, Venezuela.

So the question now is, is there any chance we can get to see a real altum in Singapore nowadays?

[apistomaster]

The "Rio Rhine" Altums bred in Europe are also upper Rio Negro P. scalare and the confusion is world wide. www.finarama.com has much material on these false altums. Real altums are not so easily confused with Rio Negro P. scalare altum look-a-likes.

Very few spawns of real altums have been documented just as very few real pure wild Heckel discus spawns have been documented.
Both can draw heated debates between those who believe and those who do not.

[Orion]

I am confused. So the pictures posted by Reebok 4190 are the real altum angels from Atabapo?

[Quixotic]

I think the confusion is also not helped by the fact that the "altum" term is being used on the Rio Negro and Peru P. scalare. Calling them the Rio Negro or Peruvian "altum" will only falsely, keep reinforcing to unsuspected aquarist that these are P. altum.

Orion, Heiko did mention in post #36 that these are not P. altum.

[illumnae]

so are all the altums we are seeing in c328 now Rio Negro scalares?

[Panut]

I think the confusion is also not helped by the fact that the "altum" term is being used on the Rio Negro and Peru P. scalare. Calling them the Rio Negro or Peruvian "altum" will only falsely, keep reinforcing to unsuspected aquarist that these are P. altum.

The problem is that, shops like C328, merely write "ALTUM" on the glass panels of the tank they are stored in. Not Puruvian Altum but just "ALTUM".

So, am i right to say that all these "altums" that came in these past week, they are all NOT the real altums ?

[tanhb]

so are all the altums we are seeing in c328 now Rio Negro scalares?

I would think so if according to Mr. Heiko Bleher article posted by CK in post #10.

The problem is that, shops like C328, merely write "ALTUM" on the glass panels of the tank they are stored in. Not Puruvian Altum but just "ALTUM".

So, am i right to say that all these "altums" that came in these past week, they are all NOT the real altums ?

They are not Peruvian altum(P. scalare). They are either the real altum or Rio Negro Altum which is P. scalare.

I always thought that those beautiful angels we see on our shore are altum, but it seem like they are not. If all these P. scalare from Rio Negro already so beautiful, how will a real altum look like? Will my eyes pop when I get to see the real altum?

[Panut]

Anyone have authentic pictures of what real altum looks like?

cheers

[raglan]

Heiko sees a difference between angels from the Atabapo region and other regions of the Orinoco.
this will not be ascertained until DNA is properly done.
The fish you are seeing are Orinoco angelfish, known as Pterophyllum altum to , I believe, every taxonomist and all the experienced aquarists and collectors and scientists in Venezuela.

Heiko's argument is good, but until we see the DNA evidence, we have to go with scientific knowledge so far.

[Panut]

Heiko sees a difference between angels from the Atabapo region and other regions of the Orinoco.
this will not be ascertained until DNA is properly done.
The fish you are seeing are Orinoco angelfish, known as Pterophyllum altum to everyone else.

So we what we have are Pterophyllum altum until proven guilty..

[raglan]

So we what we have are Pterophyllum altum until proven guilty..

I haven't seen all your fish, but mostly, yes. Altum until shown to be otherwise.

[reebok4190]

Here's an update of the Altum Angels... Hardy and Easy to keep.. Cheers.. Happy Holidays!!!

[mictok]

Dont tempt me.

[illumnae]

very lovely. hope mine grow as well as yours did!

[reebok4190]

Dont tempt me.

I am unable to tempt you but my Altum Angelfish can!!!

Do try out these beauties and you know you will not regret when you have success with them. When they grow big and starts flaring like fighting fishes, you will know its worth it.

Anyway the next season is next May or June, you can start creating some wealth to invest the new season of altum angels to come. Feel free to ask me for help, I owed you a favor. Basically you need is just a Shield Plan and that what's you need..the rest will be secrets of keeping them healthy which unfold latter by these beauties. When you get them to settle down, they are extremely easy and hardy..Best only when you have a 4ft or more and a high depth tank. Seen you kept fishes before, you have Prime Care on them.You should not have a problem with these altum angelfish with your Prime Care and a Shield Plan from me. Still tempted? I should say, "JUST DO IT!"

very lovely. hope mine grow as well as yours did!

No worries, you will as long you don't interfere them other than feeding them and water change. Hope you kept them in big tank. Its better. Configuration of the water condition will not change drastically. Wish you success.

[derekchia]

Here's an update of the Altum Angels... Hardy and Easy to keep.. Cheers.. Happy Holidays!!!

Very nice collection you have, are these from the old batch or new collection from 2008?
How many are you keeping in your 6feet tank?

[bosebani]

Hi bro reebok, if yours are not true altums, what are the true altums than? How they look like? Anyone has some link or pictures to tell the difference. I tried to search for bro CK link answered by H B but cannot find

[reebok4190]

Hi bro reebok, if yours are not true altums, what are the true altums than? How they look like? Anyone has some link or pictures to tell the difference. I tried to search for bro CK link answered by H B but cannot find

Please throw your doubt to the one whom you heard from and get the answer from the respective? I am not disturbed by their comment but i do mind how you post the question to me. Do your search at www.finarama.com, there is identification of wild angelfishes. Don't be sway just by a comment. Do your homework 1st. Ignorance is not an excuse. Happy Holidays to you...

[bosebani]

Please throw your doubt to the one whom you heard from and get the answer from the respective? I am not disturbed by their comment but i do mind how you post the question to me. Do your search at www.finarama.com, there is identification of wild angelfishes. Don't be sway just by a comment. Do your homework 1st. Ignorance is not an excuse. Happy Holidays to you...

http://www.finarama.com/tba/identification.htm
bro, I don't expect spoon feeding, but had done some searches myself and found that what you have is the Pt Altums as like in "finarama" web page link as above.

I also has some altums same like yours bought couple months back october 08, now I am getting bit confuse if mine is it the real altums or not. . Cheers!

[mictok]

At the end of the day are we going after the quality of fish or going after pure breed fish.In my view,lets stop questioning about the defination of "Altum" and enjoy what we have.

It seems to see that a couple of Brothers mention that the Altum die even as fast as overnight for the new purchase,is it true that once it is stable it is really easy to up keep them?Look like a made it or break it case at the moment you put them into the new tank.