T. candidi spotted in C328!!!

[Cacatuoides]

Just came back from c328, saw a very nice pair of T. Candidi

[valice]

Did you look closely at the "female" to see if it is a sneaker male?
Benny mentioned in another thread that it could be a suspected male.

[Cacatuoides]

really? better have a closer look at it later

which thread did benny mention about sneaker male for this candidi pair? thanks

[benny]

Most of C328's recent dwarf cichlids shipment are all male pairs. What a shame. But some are really nice male though.

Cheers,

[Cacatuoides]

hey benny, have you seen the candidi pair, any comments?

[benny]

Yes. I have seen it a few days ago. One large male with good color and one smaller male with potential. Now the question is...where are you going to get the female? Asked Mrs. Toh and she doesn't know if supplier has females. She didn't even know that they are both males, just like the Apistogramma cacatuoides "orange flash".

Cheers,

[Quixotic]

When I was there yesterday, I was actually wondering if it is a pair as well. The smaller one looks suspiciously like a male. Didn't really have a look at the other Apistogramma or Ram pairs, but it's not surprising if they are male pairs.

[illumnae]

i was there when the uncle replaced a betta tank with the candidi...my newbie observation also seemed to conclude that they might have been 2 males

[CacaManiac]

yeah i've noticed the recent emergence of sneaker males in the trade.. the last pair of apistogramma cacatuoides i had purchased was a sneaker male.. only after a month did i realise after posting a query here. i'm stuck with 4 male specimens without any females..

[genes]

The candidis are gone! Sold!

[illumnae]

some poor guy ended up with 2 males

[genes]

Seems like it. And like benny said, all the ap. cacatuoides pairs are male. Long dorsal fins.

[coryfav]

Most of C328's recent dwarf cichlids shipment are all male pairs. What a shame. But some are really nice male though.

Cheers,

Guys, just curious. Do sneaker males lay eggs?

I picked up a pair of A. Caca the other night which Mrs Toh and Mr Toh were kind enough to inform me that some people have claimed that that female was actually a male. We'd a fellow-hobbyist gave his opinion and then decided to take the 'risk' by ignoring the 'non-faminine' dorsal fin, while the other features sure looked 'unmanly'.

Also, Mr Toh told me that that pair has been together in that tank (no separator) for quite awhile already, so I thought I shouldn't face any aggression issue as they'd have e a whole 1.5ft planted tank to themselves, with a few other spare tanks around for any emergency.

You may want to reconsider before making such a statement, as I feel it'll affect their business and is unfair to them. Newbies like me may well be too afraid to risk buying any of them.

[illumnae]

benny is just giving honest information there. nothing wrong with him doing that...people are still free to choose whether or not to take his advice, and some people still choose to buy the pairs right?

on the other hand, not giving out this information would be unfair to hobbyists who buy the pair based on the falsely represented information that they're a pair, when in actual fact they're not. it's like saying i wanted to buy a toaster, paid money for a toaster, but got a hair dryer instead.

what mr and mrs toh are doing seems to me to be the best way of doing things. they can't help what gets shipped in, but they inform their customers of a potential sneaker male and let the customers make the decision themselves. by the same measure, we're informing people of the potential mistake so they don't waste their hard earned money on something they didn't want.

[coryfav]

benny is just giving honest information there. nothing wrong with him doing that...people are still free to choose whether or not to take his advice, and some people still choose to buy the pairs right?

on the other hand, not giving out this information would be unfair to hobbyists who buy the pair based on the falsely represented information that they're a pair, when in actual fact they're not. it's like saying i wanted to buy a toaster, paid money for a toaster, but got a hair dryer instead.

what mr and mrs toh are doing seems to me to be the best way of doing things. they can't help what gets shipped in, but they inform their customers of a potential sneaker male and let the customers make the decision themselves. by the same measure, we're informing people of the potential mistake so they don't waste their hard earned money on something they didn't want.

No one has said that anyone is wrong here.

I was just suggesting that Benny MAY want to reconsider his statement. Or maybe he'd like to elaborate on his statement.

I know Benny and Benny knows me, and we both know Mrs Toh and Mr Toh for years. Thanks for jumping in, anyway.

Cheers!

[Shadow]

In my opinion it will be benefit to both parties. For Begineer like me, I'm sure I will be angry if the fishes that I bought and advertise as a pair but end up both male. I'm most likely will not be coming to that shop again as well as telling others about it. This will be bad to the shop. With this information, the shop owner can check with the supplier and hopefully make sure that next batch will be real pair.

my 2 cents

[coryfav]

Yes, warning fellow hobbyists about the possibility is good. I also find that useful.

But it gets scary when the (unclear) message gets misinterpreted, especially to newbies.

And it's sad too, if some hobbyist are 'so sure' of certain females being males, which turned out to start laying eggs. I'm in no way related to the LFS, but we've to be considerate to them, especially when they don't have the privilege of coming online to explain themselves.

Anyway, I'll not go on on this subject.

Cheers!

[riltz]

saw a pair a t.candid today when i went to c238, looks like sneaker male to me too! but i'm no pro at this. there was no black ventral and the back

fin is not rounded too. but the pair look brillant worth the price

[genes]

I was looking hard at the pair of candidi too. Brillant colours. Female candidi can exhibit very nice colouration in the finnage too, similiar to the males. This makes it hard to differentiate them at times expecially if the male is a young specimen.

I too feel the the female is a male because the T. candidis that i have kept, the females all had rounded caudal fin. Both specimen in C328 shows lanceolate caudal fin.

Its good to have some warning here to newbies because i will be pissed too if i had bought 2 males instead of a breeding pair which i am suppose to be paying for. Unless i am guaranteed an exhange if both turned out to be males, but this do not usually happen. Apart from forums, newbies can also surf around the web for more information and pictures on the fishes before they make their purchase.

Anyway, i have checked with Mr. Toh and he said his supplier will exchange the sneaker if its comfirmed a sneaker.

[doppelbanddwarf]

Hi i would like to share my experience in buying this particular fish. One of the LFS in yishun brought in some candidis too recently, which i believe are from the same batch as the ones in C328.

I got myself a pair of these fishes form the yishun LFS, with the supposed female with rounded caudal fins etc.

Over the course of a few weeks however i noticed the female becoming more 'manly', ie the caudal becoming lanceolate, ventrals becoming longer etc.

Fortunately there was an almost confirmed female in the shop at the same time. Being on good terms with the shopkeeper i managed to swap the sneaker male for the female.

On this occasion the two fishes i got at first were also placed together in a small glass tank without any sign of aggression.