Lushgro Aqua as a 'All in One' fertiliser?

[albino]

Hi All,

Maybe out of topic. I was looking most of the thread and come to know that Lushgro Aqua seem to be an All-In-One Fert. Any kind advise on this product. I don't want to keep too many bottle of fert due to limited place and mainly tight $$$. That's why I come to look into China brand fert. Their seem to be all-in-one.

BTW, any advise on LushGro Aqua $$ and where can buy in the west. So far don't see in C328 and Y618.
Thanks...
Cheers...........

[yeoyl87]

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There are collection points in the west

[Ariel]

Try NA and colorful

[illumnae]

Lushgro Aqua isn't an all-in-one is it? it lacks phosphorus

[David Moses Heng]

have you ever thought of considering wondergro range of products? really value for money!! you can contact u k lau on this forum for them.

[juggler]

Lushgro Aqua isn't an all-in-one is it? it lacks phosphorus

Good point.

I think all commercial fertilisers won't include phosphates with as I read they form precipitate with the iron. Have to dose PO4 separately if needed.

[illumnae]

if i'm not mistaken, the Wonder-gro series marketed by uklau seems to have Phosphates in the macro fert solution. i think the manufacturer got around the iron precipitation problem by putting iron in the micro fert solution instead

[medicineman]

It is true that the product of Macro+ does contain some phosphates. Tablet Root+ contains even more phosphates in soluble as well as non-soluble form.

Reasoning for separating Phosphates from the iron complex was not solely because of precipitation issue, but due to adjusting what the market need as well. For instance, there are tanks that needs so little macros but still could improve from addition of enough pottasium, micros dan Fe. Separating the two will make dosing easier and safer for each individual tank with ever varieting demands of nutrition.

You are welcome to try and mix concentrated solutions of Macro+ and Micro+ straight away from the bottle and see if there will be any precipitation formed within a day. In much more diluted form, such as inside the aquarium, the reaction will even be much weaker and may be considered none compared to how light accelerate the breaking of Fe-complex bond.

However, testings (backed by theory) showed that long term contact between both concentrated solution would result in a slight reduce of the mixture shelf life compared to as separate original solutions.
So I would dare to say that the statement about Fe-phosphate issue is indeed plausible in some formula, especially where the bond of Fe is too weak or the concentration of phosphates is very high.

This problem may be overcomed in certain degree by improving formulation. For instance, Tropica did make something with all-in one liquid fert as TMG replacement.

Anyway, not to wander too of topic, you can usually replace the lack of phosphates in lushgro or any other fert by adding just the right amount of chemical phosphates (usually KH2PO4 powder) into the tank. Some tank just seems to need more phosphates than the other.

Hope this can be of any information.

[Plantbrain]

Good point.

I think all commercial fertilisers won't include phosphates with as I read they form precipitate with the iron. Have to dose PO4 separately if needed.

Or you can dose the Traces separately from the macros........as they cost a fair amount more than macro nutrients.

So it makes more sense for most to dose traces separately.
Tropica adds a littler K+ and Mg in their traces as do I for the brand I have here in the USA.

I sell(sorry, don't ask, I sell only wholesale) 3 types of Fe however, one in an all inclusive Trace mix, two others in a weak chelated (the chelates break down rapidly and are used by bacteria and plants, unlike ETDA).

These are separated from any PO4 concentrate.
Liquids have trade offs, and adding them all together in all in mixes does not allow for the wide variety of dosing needs.

Some folks have plenty of PO4 in their tap water or NO3. Others have hard KH's which makes traces like Fe much harder to deliver metals to the plants.
So some chelators might be okay, while others not.

There are many goals so an all in one solution is just not possible.
Marketing and actual need are two different things as well.

Creating "a sense of need" is all marketing is, an example: heating cables are not needed nor have ever been shown to do or add any benefit to aquatic planted tanks is well over 2 decades. But good marketing keeps them selling and folks believing they do something other than heat the tank.

Be critical when listening to the sales pitches, I have some swamp land in Thailand I want to sell you if you disagree

Regards,
Tom Barr







Regards,
Tom Barr

[albino]

Lushgro Aqua isn't an all-in-one is it? it lacks phosphorus

Since Lushgro Aqua lacks phosphorus, can we just get Seachem Phosphorus to cover up.

Have read Wonder-Gro products from info given by member. Seem like Wonder-Gro Marco is a more All-In-One products.

I try not to use stick product to prevent disturbing the plants peace growing. Liquid product will be more ideal for me so plant that get fert from roots or leave will get it more even.

Can anyone PM me the price for Lushgro Aqua and Wonder-Gro Marco.

Thanks in advance.

Cheers....

[David Moses Heng]

Wonder-Gro Marco.

Thanks in advance.

Cheers....

contact u k lau.

[yeoyl87]

Since Lushgro Aqua lacks phosphorus, can we just get Seachem Phosphorus to cover up.

Have read Wonder-Gro products from info given by member. Seem like Wonder-Gro Marco is a more All-In-One products.

I try not to use stick product to prevent disturbing the plants peace growing. Liquid product will be more ideal for me so plant that get fert from roots or leave will get it more even.

Can anyone PM me the price for Lushgro Aqua and Wonder-Gro Marco.

Thanks in advance.

Cheers....

Wonder-gro root tab is very easy to insert. Simply use a tweezer to push it in. My Tiger lotus and Downoi simply love the root tab. Been showing very encourgaing growth.
Wonder-Gro product is pretty dummy proof and the price is good.

[illumnae]

i've used wonder-gro root tabs and micros, and i throw my recommendation in as well. my swords and crypts show noticeable growth after the tabs go in, and i've had no problems with the micros thus far

[uklau]

My Tiger lotus and Downoi simply love the root tab. Been showing very encourgaing growth.

All heavy root feeders will benefited from it & show significant growth within 1-2 weeks.

[EvolutionZ]

yea. im using wonder grow root tab. thanks to uklau i can see posetive growth on my euro cinerium aka gu jing.

[Ben Lim]

Yap, just started using wonder-gro products for about a month now....seems encouraging.