err... need ALOT of help with....

[ryan]

hey everyone...
i've joined the dark side!!!
i've come over from the planted side!!!

Anyway i'm setting up a 2feet marine tank on monday and would like some help... actually lots of help...[]

1) is it necessasary to get a protein skimmer if i'm keeping just fishes and inverts?(luminous anemones inverts right?)
no corals!

2)is an eheim 2213 good enough for a 2 feet marine tank?what filter media do i put in? just the usual sponges? or the substrat or mech? or coral chips?

3)what substrate do i get? whats the coral sand all about? or live sand? how much is the coral sand or live sand and how much do i get(in kg) for a 2 feet marine tank?

4)roughly for a 2feet tank, how many kg of live rock do i get?
like if i stack them up at the back?

5)how much lighting(in watts?) do i need for the 2feet tank? is 40 watts enough? i'm thinking of 72watts pl lights, thats good for planted tanks but for marine? is it alright? and what bulbs do i get? nature has the $5 upgrade to get the marine blue spect lights, are those good?
remember no corals, just the nice luminous soft inverts[]

i'll be cycling the tank starting monday so i'll go down to harlus to the farms and get live rocks, if possible the sand i need, i'll get my filter on sunday, hopefully i will know what media to put in the filter by tomorrow[], hope to get some mature sand by monday, buy the hydrometer and coral life salt. do i need lights for the cycling? can i add anything besides live rocks during the first week of cycling? not even one clown with an anemone?

my friend said that if i don't get the protein skimmer for the 2 feet tank, i can use the surface skimmer, is this true?

as for carbon, do i BUY EXTRA carbon filter pads for my eheim 2213? do i have to put in the thin carbon pad it comes with and remove it after 1-2 weeks?

thanks so much guys![]

[ryan]

hey everyone...
i've joined the dark side!!!
i've come over from the planted side!!!

Anyway i'm setting up a 2feet marine tank on monday and would like some help... actually lots of help...[]

1) is it necessasary to get a protein skimmer if i'm keeping just fishes and inverts?(luminous anemones inverts right?)
no corals!

2)is an eheim 2213 good enough for a 2 feet marine tank?what filter media do i put in? just the usual sponges? or the substrat or mech? or coral chips?

3)what substrate do i get? whats the coral sand all about? or live sand? how much is the coral sand or live sand and how much do i get(in kg) for a 2 feet marine tank?

4)roughly for a 2feet tank, how many kg of live rock do i get?
like if i stack them up at the back?

5)how much lighting(in watts?) do i need for the 2feet tank? is 40 watts enough? i'm thinking of 72watts pl lights, thats good for planted tanks but for marine? is it alright? and what bulbs do i get? nature has the $5 upgrade to get the marine blue spect lights, are those good?
remember no corals, just the nice luminous soft inverts[]

i'll be cycling the tank starting monday so i'll go down to harlus to the farms and get live rocks, if possible the sand i need, i'll get my filter on sunday, hopefully i will know what media to put in the filter by tomorrow[], hope to get some mature sand by monday, buy the hydrometer and coral life salt. do i need lights for the cycling? can i add anything besides live rocks during the first week of cycling? not even one clown with an anemone?

my friend said that if i don't get the protein skimmer for the 2 feet tank, i can use the surface skimmer, is this true?

as for carbon, do i BUY EXTRA carbon filter pads for my eheim 2213? do i have to put in the thin carbon pad it comes with and remove it after 1-2 weeks?

thanks so much guys![]

[ryan]

hey everyone...
i've joined the dark side!!!
i've come over from the planted side!!!

Anyway i'm setting up a 2feet marine tank on monday and would like some help... actually lots of help...[]

1) is it necessasary to get a protein skimmer if i'm keeping just fishes and inverts?(luminous anemones inverts right?)
no corals!

2)is an eheim 2213 good enough for a 2 feet marine tank?what filter media do i put in? just the usual sponges? or the substrat or mech? or coral chips?

3)what substrate do i get? whats the coral sand all about? or live sand? how much is the coral sand or live sand and how much do i get(in kg) for a 2 feet marine tank?

4)roughly for a 2feet tank, how many kg of live rock do i get?
like if i stack them up at the back?

5)how much lighting(in watts?) do i need for the 2feet tank? is 40 watts enough? i'm thinking of 72watts pl lights, thats good for planted tanks but for marine? is it alright? and what bulbs do i get? nature has the $5 upgrade to get the marine blue spect lights, are those good?
remember no corals, just the nice luminous soft inverts[]

i'll be cycling the tank starting monday so i'll go down to harlus to the farms and get live rocks, if possible the sand i need, i'll get my filter on sunday, hopefully i will know what media to put in the filter by tomorrow[], hope to get some mature sand by monday, buy the hydrometer and coral life salt. do i need lights for the cycling? can i add anything besides live rocks during the first week of cycling? not even one clown with an anemone?

my friend said that if i don't get the protein skimmer for the 2 feet tank, i can use the surface skimmer, is this true?

as for carbon, do i BUY EXTRA carbon filter pads for my eheim 2213? do i have to put in the thin carbon pad it comes with and remove it after 1-2 weeks?

thanks so much guys![]

[ryan]

hey everyone...
i've joined the dark side!!!
i've come over from the planted side!!!

Anyway i'm setting up a 2feet marine tank on monday and would like some help... actually lots of help...[]

1) is it necessasary to get a protein skimmer if i'm keeping just fishes and inverts?(luminous anemones inverts right?)
no corals!

2)is an eheim 2213 good enough for a 2 feet marine tank?what filter media do i put in? just the usual sponges? or the substrat or mech? or coral chips?

3)what substrate do i get? whats the coral sand all about? or live sand? how much is the coral sand or live sand and how much do i get(in kg) for a 2 feet marine tank?

4)roughly for a 2feet tank, how many kg of live rock do i get?
like if i stack them up at the back?

5)how much lighting(in watts?) do i need for the 2feet tank? is 40 watts enough? i'm thinking of 72watts pl lights, thats good for planted tanks but for marine? is it alright? and what bulbs do i get? nature has the $5 upgrade to get the marine blue spect lights, are those good?
remember no corals, just the nice luminous soft inverts[]

i'll be cycling the tank starting monday so i'll go down to harlus to the farms and get live rocks, if possible the sand i need, i'll get my filter on sunday, hopefully i will know what media to put in the filter by tomorrow[], hope to get some mature sand by monday, buy the hydrometer and coral life salt. do i need lights for the cycling? can i add anything besides live rocks during the first week of cycling? not even one clown with an anemone?

my friend said that if i don't get the protein skimmer for the 2 feet tank, i can use the surface skimmer, is this true?

as for carbon, do i BUY EXTRA carbon filter pads for my eheim 2213? do i have to put in the thin carbon pad it comes with and remove it after 1-2 weeks?

thanks so much guys![]

[Cedric]

Hi Ryan,

I shall attempt to answer some of your questions.

1) is it necessasary to get a protein skimmer?

There is no right or wrong answer but a PS is definitely something I would want to have!!! It helps to remove organics before it has a chance to break down and helps with air exchange.

2)is an eheim 2213 good enough for a 2 feet marine tank?

If its fish only (lightly stocked), a canister filter may suffice. However, once you add an anemone into the equation, its a new ballgame. The answer IMO is a straight no.

3)what substrate do i get? whats the coral sand all about? or live sand? how much is the coral sand or live sand and how much do i get(in kg) for a 2 feet marine tank?


I dun think you can obtain live sand in Singapore. If you can, let me know where? How much sand you need will depend on how deep you want it to be. Do you want a dsb??? What grade of sand do you want??? #1, #2 or #3???

4)roughly for a 2feet tank, how many kg of live rock do i get?
like if i stack them up at the back?

As much as you want. Some rocks are more porous and hence lighter. LR aids in filtration as well so you may want to be generous with it.

5)how much lighting(in watts?) do i need for the 2feet tank? is 40 watts enough? i'm thinking of 72watts pl lights, thats good for planted tanks but for marine? is it alright? and what bulbs do i get? nature has the $5 upgrade to get the marine blue spect lights, are those good?
remember no corals, just the nice luminous soft inverts

I think your question here is flawed. Your "luminous soft inverts" is light dependent. You will need at least the PL lights. Go for higher kelvin like 10k. You can use actinics as well to provide the bioluminous. An anemone is not easy to keep, you may want to reconsider that. I would sway towards MH though...

6) I'll be cycling the tank starting monday so i'll go down to harlus to the farms and get live rocks, if possible the sand i need, i'll get my filter on sunday, hopefully i will know what media to put in the filter by tomorrow, hope to get some mature sand by monday, buy the hydrometer and coral life salt. do i need lights for the cycling? can i add anything besides live rocks during the first week of cycling? not even one clown with an anemone?

LR? perfectly fine. NO anemone and NO clowns when cycling. Heck, NO damsels or any other fish for the matter. I'm against cycling with livestock. Just throw in a prawn from your fridge and wait. Grab NH3/NH4, NO2 and NO3 test kits as well to test your parameters.

7) My friend said that if i don't get the protein skimmer for the 2 feet tank, i can use the surface skimmer, is this true?

??? Use of a surface skimmer is good as it helps remove the surface scum on the water and promote air exchange as well. Otherwise, it serves quite a different function from a PS.

As for carbon, do i BUY EXTRA carbon filter pads for my eheim 2213? do i have to put in the thin carbon pad it comes with and remove it after 1-2 weeks?

There are many schools of thoughts regarding Carbon. Any good brand of carbon can be used, not necessarily Eheim carbon pads. (very ex). I run chemipure 24/7 and change it every 2 months. As for eheim 2213, I seriously doubt... ...

I hope this will help. This hobby can become very very expensive. Many reefers spend upwards of thousands of dollars. I hope you will delay any purchase till you do more research and find out from other more experienced reefers. I think you will save a lot of money and spare yourself some agony if you do that.

Cheers!

[Mez]

Ok, i am no expert, but i will try to help here..

1) is it necessasary to get a protein skimmer if i'm keeping just fishes and inverts?(luminous anemones inverts right?)
no corals!
A protien skimmer is not *needed*, but certainly helps, especially with sessile inverts (Anemones, corals etc). If you can afford one, get one!

2)is an eheim 2213 good enough for a 2 feet marine tank?what filter media do i put in? just the usual sponges? or the substrat or mech? or coral chips?
If your tank is lightly stocked, and you have plenty of LR, then yes, this will be enough

3)what substrate do i get? whats the coral sand all about? or live sand? how much is the coral sand or live sand and how much do i get(in kg) for a 2 feet marine tank?
If you can get live sand - get it! It helps keep Nitrates lower IMO, especially if you have a DSB (deep sand bed, 4"+ of live sand). If not - then its totally up to you. Amount will depend on how deep you want your sand bed...

4)roughly for a 2feet tank, how many kg of live rock do i get?
like if i stack them up at the back?
if your tank is 2ftx1ftx1ft - i would get abt 15 - 20 pounds. Not sure how many KG that is...

5)how much lighting(in watts?) do i need for the 2feet tank? is 40 watts enough? i'm thinking of 72watts pl lights, thats good for planted tanks but for marine? is it alright? and what bulbs do i get? nature has the $5 upgrade to get the marine blue spect lights, are those good?
remember no corals, just the nice luminous soft inverts
What do you mean by "soft inverts"? Things like feather duster worms? If so, then they dont need light at all - they are non-photosynthetic.
Below you mention wanting an Anemone. HECK! Anemones need STRONG light. If possible, i reccomend MH.

i'll be cycling the tank starting monday so i'll go down to harlus to the farms and get live rocks, if possible the sand i need, i'll get my filter on sunday, hopefully i will know what media to put in the filter by tomorrow, hope to get some mature sand by monday, buy the hydrometer and coral life salt. do i need lights for the cycling? can i add anything besides live rocks during the first week of cycling? not even one clown with an anemone?
Cycle with a raw shrimp. As i stated above, if you want an Anemone, you will need intense lighting. Also, Anemones need a very stable & mature tank, i would wait about 4 months before adding an Anemone, providing you have adequite lighting. Which Anemone are you planning on adding?

my friend said that if i don't get the protein skimmer for the 2 feet tank, i can use the surface skimmer, is this true?
Not sure what you mean by this..coz they preform two different functions..

as for carbon, do i BUY EXTRA carbon filter pads for my eheim 2213? do i have to put in the thin carbon pad it comes with and remove it after 1-2 weeks?
I am not farmiliar with this filter, so cannot say..
Hope i helped a bit.
James
btw - dont forget your powerheads!

[ryan]

hey guys thanks for your replys!
i still need to know what filter medis to put in my eheim and what light tubes to get...
also when cycling the tank does the lights need to be on?
do i still need powerhead if i'm using eheim 2213?
you guys mean 72 watts for 2 feet tank is not enough for anemones?[:0]

[Cedric]

Filter media for 2213? Well, if that is your choice, I'm sorry I cannot help much as my knowledge in it's media content is poor.

Lights need not be on when cycling but may help with the growth of coraline algae.

A eheim 2213 will not provide enuff circulation. A reef experiences great surges and its hard for our tank to provide that kind of natural currents. Marine fishes are used to greater currents so you definietly need to up your circulation. It will help to eleminate dead spots as well.

A 2 x 1 x 1 tank gives around 12.85 UK gallon. Around 5.6 watts per gallon. I doubt its enuff for a high light requirement invert like an anemone.

[ryan]

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On 11/17/2002 1:48:52 AM


Filter media for 2213? Well, if that is your choice, I'm sorry I cannot help much as my knowledge in it's media content is poor.

Lights need not be on when cycling but may help with the growth of coraline algae.

A eheim 2213 will not provide enuff circulation. A reef experiences great surges and its hard for our tank to provide that kind of natural currents. Marine fishes are used to greater currents so you definietly need to up your circulation. It will help to eleminate dead spots as well.

A 2 x 1 x 1 tank gives around 12.85 UK gallon. Around 5.6 watts per gallon. I doubt its enuff for a high light requirement invert like an anemone.
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then how much lights will i need?
108watts? about 15 gallons...
can anyone tell me what filter media i can get?
cuz i have to buy it later...
does pet mart sell the ocean sand i need?

[hwchoy]

hey ryan, what happened to your planted tanks? the 30cm tall glosso finally done you in?

[ryan]

my planted tanks are fine...
glosso finally started crawling!
i think they are those you gave me!
i'm still running 2x2feet planted tanks and doing a 4feet planted tank sometime this week... still waiting for jbl base fert to arrive at the lfs!
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[hwchoy]

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On 11/17/2002 2:03:12 PM

my planted tanks are fine...
glosso finally started crawling!
i think they are those you gave me!
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of course! I trained them myself you know, every morning 5BX, then after breakfast it is crawling lessons. 2 weeks Basic Crawling course, then going to 4 weeks of Advanced Crawling course. After a prof test they passout and go for their Combat Crawling course.

If you look carefully them are actually doing fire and movement while crawling… some runners will crawl faster, then stop (and give support fire lah), then the other runners will start crawling, over take, and repeat the same. I swear, you just have to HAVE PATIENCE AND OBSERVE!

kekekekeke

[ryan]

oh sheesh!
*faints*[:]

[Mez]

*cough*
The planted forum is that way!<<< []
Ryan - filter media i am not sure on, as i have never used the filter in questions.
Lighting, depends on what you want to keep. You say you want an Anemone - i think around 7 watts per gallon is preffered for an Anemone to remain healthy...So i suggest either power compact or MH lighting..
Get the highest amount of lighting you can afford for your tank! You will thank yourself for it in the long run...

[kelstorm]

i would say.. go for those lightings that have higher spectrum of kelvins rather than looking at the watts.. which might be a poor indicator of enuff lights... while what cedric says holds.. what i mean is that u should also consider the kelvins in the lights... no point having a 36W lights that gives off 6500k when 2x 18W lights that gives off 10,000kelvins each.. which is also 36W... so.. go think abt it