Hi guys, I heard rumours that AP. maciliensis and AP. SP mamore red are the same. Is that true?
And how to tell the difference between the male and female?
I have a pair but they look the same!
The yellow female that arrived today died in the bag, but luckily I had an extra female.
which is the male??!!!
Don, yes. they refers to the same species.
Male of this species may develop red marking on their gill cover.
male will also have a red tail for mamore red,
however there is another blue variant.
the male will have some marking on the gill compared to the female.
pic 1 and 2 - male
pic 3 and 4 - female
pic 5 -looks like both male to me.
Henry aka joopsg
Current tank: 1 4 tier 3ft fish rack
Livestock: WC Ivanacara Adoketa, WC Apistogramma Kelleri 'Red Cheeks', A , WC Apistogramma Mendezi, WC Apistogramma Cruziero, WC Apistogramma Elizabethae and WC Biotoecus Operularis.
Picture 5 is a photo of the pair
Anyway, is it only the female that will have the lateral spot?
I used a torch light to spy on my apistos last night, it seems only one had the lateral spot.
SA, CA & WA Dwarf Cichlid collector
This had been my all time favourite.......there is a german type which got solid deep red on the tail too...
Never create what you can't control
Being really unfamiliar with the Apistogramma genus, please do correct me if I misunderstood anything or regurgitating this wrongly.
According to Mike Wise, if I understood correctly, there is no such fish as "A. maciliensis". There is a fish though which is thought to be a subspecies of A. trifasciata from the mid-lower Guaporé that is called A. trifasciata maciliensis (Haseman 1911). However, Kullander (1980) provisionally synonymised them as A. trifasciata (no subspecies).
The confusion probably arises due to some literature that have erroneously attributed the undescribed species, A. sp. "Rio Mamoré" as either A. trifasciata maciliensis or "A. maciliensis". Mike Wise thinks that A. trifasciata maciliensis is merely a color morph of A. trifasciata, there is no valid "A. maciliensis", and A. sp. "Rio Mamoré" is a still scientifically undescribed species.
There is also a rather convoluted, but nevertheless very interesting story about these fishes.(too long to continue)
I believe what you have is actually commonly known as A. sp "Rio Mamore" which is an undescribed species as Quixotic has pointed out.
Here's a thread with pictures of both male and female for you to compare with.
http://www.aquaticquotient.com/forum...ghlight=mamore
Also your 4th picture shows a sunken stomach in the fish, which is a bad sign in Apistogrammas. I'm not sure whether its the camera angle though.
like this?Originally Posted by SCOPE
Woah, thanks all.
anyway, my female seems to stay at the bottom all the time. Its belly is always touching the floor...whats wrong with it?
On a discussion on another forum, it seems that belly-crawling could be caused by either too much inbreeding or as a side-effect of shipping.
woah thanks bro.
Yep, the female was shipped from HK.
Would it be permanent? And is it able to breed?
I don't know whether it can be treated or what form of treatment to use. What I'm quite sure is if it remains in this way there is no way it is going to breed.
Spawning would be the last thing on a belly-crawling Apistogramma's mind.
With it crawling on its belly it would not be possible for the female to defend her brood so there is no point. Also it wastes resources that the female needs to survive, since she's already not healthy at all.
Bad news....the belly crawling female died on me.....
will be selling off the male....
May not necessarily be the shipping that causes the belly-crawling. How did you acclimatise the female and what food did you feed it? Also when did the female start belly-crawling?
The belly crawling female has been doing that ever since it arrived.
And I fed it with tetrabits, ocean free super miniature (her favourite), NLS all purpose formula, and once, live brine shrimp.
As for aclimatising, I used the drip method....
More pictures of the male...
your male is starting to colour up wellcongrats!
hope your female recovers soon
nice male...
illumnae, i think his female died..
oops... sorry
Passion through Apisto
There is almost very little chance for it to colour up like other apisto do. Mamore, do not colour up during their growth. Their colouration will only start to intensify where the colours are. Meaning if there are a lack of colours in the caudal region it will not become a full red tail mamore. Used to have a fry at 2.5cm having the full red tail. This apisto do well given a larger tank. They do well in low pH water, have you altered your water or add peat/ADA gravel to the tank?
Look like a small tank to house the pair, you might want to consider something a little bigger in future for A.mamore.
Cheers on your new pair but sadly the female died. What you can do in future is to purchase additional females & male to obtain a higher chance of them surviving in your tank.
Stress from the flight & stress by your hands inside the tank. No proper tank was setup prior to the new addition. Tank should be setup 2 weeks before a new pair is introduce. Water pH should have minimum pH swings when introducing the pair.
So i guess the next round, you will be more prepared for it.
What i normally do before i introduce a pair.
1) setup tank
2) add ada gravel
3) Add sponge filter
4) let it run for at lease 1 week if not 2.
*5) Cover up tank sides with black paper or newspaper
Last option will only be done for very delicate pairs. Change tank water every 3 days 15% testing of water parameters. Add fish at night and left in dark. No disturbance for the next 2-3 days. They should be fine after the first week or so.
Different strokes for different folks!
Cheers!
Cheers!
Benetay
ah...the male is housed in a 1.5 feet tank.
the tank was set up 1 month before he arrived.Was previously a galaxy rasbora tank. now using the rasboras as dithers.
As for the ADA soil, my idea is to keep only moss in this tank, no stem plants, so I thought it wasn't necessary.
And the filtration is a hang on filter + sponge to cover the inlet....
I use blackwater to lower PH. Lower by how much, I don't know
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