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    What is the survival rate of your Apistogramma spp.?

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    Hi people, i've decided to post a thread for fellow apisto enthusiast to share their survival rate of their apistos. Wonder how are they like in your tanks? Are your apisto prone to diseases and parasites? Normally how long will you replace your apistos? (Example one die off and replace)

    If one have kept apistos for a year long, how many apistos lived throughout with you for that whole year, and how many died off within a year? It would have been rather interesting to hear from you guys, please share.
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    !00% survival rate, no disease, no parasite. Healthy and eating.


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    As for me, i kept changing species during my times of apisto- keeping.
    Causalties: 1 male panduro (jump out of tank), One Caca male (pH poisoning), 1 female candidi (killed by the male), 2 Macmasteri female (Ammonia spiked). One male Barlowi( Unknown cause). A few more other due to internal Bacteria.

    After that, i used MQ4 and MQ5 once in awhile to deworm my apisto, therefore no causalties.
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    As for me, for one year i already lost 12 pieces of apistos. 90% are due to internal parasites. Have been into apistos for a year plus till now, almost wanted to give up apistos at one point of time. Recently just started to use MQ5 and Bakto Tabs as monthly "maintenance" purpose, hopefully things will go well this time round.
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    Quote Originally Posted by magic4lifez View Post
    !00% survival rate, no disease, no parasite. Healthy and eating.

    Haha.. How long have you started keeping Apisto? 100% Survival Rate for how long man?

    Anyway Bro Zack.. Back to your question.. I have lost quite a couple of pairs due to internal parasites too think you should know also.. It seems that it is inevitable as Apisto loves live food.. Some will even refrain themselves from eating any dried food till they grow very skinny and weak.. Unless you totally restraint them from having live food, really forced them to take dried food than maybe survival rate will be higher.. I have a friend who feed only dried and frozen food to his apistos and the survival rate is definitely much higher..
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    I have lost quite a few Apistogrammas to fights, bacteria infections, illness, poor water conditons etc. Especiallly in the beginning I was killing lots of them. Now I'm still quite noobish and killing them now and then, but less to internal parasites. I've also stopped feeding any live food except DIY bbs. Trying hard not to lose anymore.

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    As for me. I bought a total of 5 Apistogrammas, 4 left. So survival rate is 80% throughout a duration of 2 1/2 months. My only casualty (A. sp elizabethae) died due to water change, suspect chlorine in water.

    Been feeding them the following:
    1. Frozen bloodworms
    2. Frozen brine shrimps
    3. ADA pellets
    4. NLS pellets

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    Hmm, i've been keeping apistos for about a year now. Total number of apistos kept is 15, 4 have died, 5 were given away/sold, and i now have 6 apistos (not counting fry ). So that translates to a death rate of approximately 26.7%.

    The four who died:
    1 Male Ap. trifasciata - internal bacteria
    1 Male Ap. agassizii (first apisto i ever kept) - internal bacteria
    1 Male Ap. caca - columnaris infection. found it very badly infected after i came back from a holiday in Malaysia
    1 female Ap. agassizii - mystery death. it was doing fine, had its own favourite corner in the tank, eating well.. one day suddenly found it dead.

    After the run-ins with internal bacteria i stopped feeding my apistos live food.. now they all subsist on NLS pellets and Hikari frozen food, bloodworms sparingly. Hikari BW seem pretty clean, but have to be careful to not contaminate the frozen BW myself.

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    Haha....yeah bro samuel, but feeding only dried foods doesnt guarantee that your apistos wont encounter parasite problems.

    Bro limchongyu, im also still trying just like you. Haha.

    Bro Jervis, quite a nice balanced diet you've got there. Hopefully your success in survival rate can continue on.

    Quote Originally Posted by FishSoup View Post
    Hmm, i've been keeping apistos for about a year now. Total number of apistos kept is 15, 4 have died, 5 were given away/sold, and i now have 6 apistos (not counting fry ). So that translates to a death rate of approximately 26.7%.

    The four who died:
    1 Male Ap. trifasciata - internal bacteria
    1 Male Ap. agassizii (first apisto i ever kept) - internal bacteria
    1 Male Ap. caca - columnaris infection. found it very badly infected after i came back from a holiday in Malaysia
    1 female Ap. agassizii - mystery death. it was doing fine, had its own favourite corner in the tank, eating well.. one day suddenly found it dead.

    After the run-ins with internal bacteria i stopped feeding my apistos live food.. now they all subsist on NLS pellets and Hikari frozen food, bloodworms sparingly. Hikari BW seem pretty clean, but have to be careful to not contaminate the frozen BW myself.
    Wow bro fishsoup, i can see that your apisto's survival rate is quite high. Anymore tips to share with us?
    Last edited by Quixotic; 30th Jun 2008 at 17:32. Reason: Merge posts
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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel2618 View Post
    Haha.. How long have you started keeping Apisto? 100% Survival Rate for how long man?

    Anyway Bro Zack.. Back to your question.. I have lost quite a couple of pairs due to internal parasites too think you should know also.. It seems that it is inevitable as Apisto loves live food.. Some will even refrain themselves from eating any dried food till they grow very skinny and weak.. Unless you totally restraint them from having live food, really forced them to take dried food than maybe survival rate will be higher.. I have a friend who feed only dried and frozen food to his apistos and the survival rate is definitely much higher..
    a few days? Mine is Elizabethae tucano red. But don't know whether to keep. Because it keep chasing my galaxies.

    anyway i never give live food. So won't kena internal parasite.
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    0% survival Read my title. I am jinxed. Especially for Apisto.
    Buy pair, female die. Buy female to replace, male die. Buy male to replace, female jump.

    Buy male only, male jump.

    Give up!!!

    ck

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    I have 3 caca (2 female and 1 male) for about a year. No problem so far, 100% Survival Rate
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    6 pairs, 2 deaths (both to jumping), 2 successfully cured of advanced stage internal bacteria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CK Yeo View Post
    0% survival Read my title. I am jinxed. Especially for Apisto.
    Buy pair, female die. Buy female to replace, male die. Buy male to replace, female jump.

    Buy male only, male jump.

    Give up!!!

    ck




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    Quote Originally Posted by illumnae View Post
    6 pairs, 2 deaths (both to jumping), 2 successfully cured of advanced stage internal bacteria.
    You mean you cured an advanced stage internal bacteria? Advanced stage normally will almost for sure result to death...you're lucky or what
    Zack

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    Mine is a long story!

    My first caca triple red pair, male die, left female.

    After male die, got a new male. Then female kill male.

    After female kill male, I bought caca orange flash from a breeder I know personally.

    Then the female died. After that decided to get female orange flash. Keep awhile only then the female missing from the tank, MIA.

    I bought a agasizi red-black from a bro here and sold it due to space constraints.

    After that. sold caca orange male and bought a pair of apisto sp mamore red from apistoworld. male died in bag, female alive.

    After that, apistoworld sent replacement male and I ordered 1 extra female. Existing female ended up belly crawling and died while the extra female I ordered died in the bag.

    Then FINALLY, sometime in april this year, I bought a baby sp mamore red from biotope. Thank god it turned out to be female!

    But the female is still too young for breeding.

    One thing about apistos, they don't really look "complete" if you don't get a pair. Then if 1 die, very troublesome to look for a seperate male/female, especially if the species is a rare one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zenislev View Post
    You mean you cured an advanced stage internal bacteria?
    yes. both times i cured, the fish had been infected for about 2 weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by Zenislev View Post
    Advanced stage normally will almost for sure result to death...
    is it? i'm sure you've done countless experiments to be able to conclusively state that. i've only managed to "experiment" twice and both times i came to a different conclusion.

    if you do a quick search around, paying particular attention to joopsg and my posts you may be able to find out what i used. it's effective.

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    I don't keep much apistos, so casulty rate is not so high.
    loss a pair of caca and aga in the biginning.
    recently loss a female bitae.
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    Very much like CK Yeo, I have not had any luck with apistos and like him, had been leapfrogging. Buy a male to replace to have the female die, buy a female to replace and then have the male die and so on. Also like him, gave up.

    Since July 2007, have bought 3 male cacas and 5 female cacas with only 1 female surviving for a survival rate of 12.5%. The female was bought January this year so only having it for 5 months.

    Also bought a pair of agas with a survival rate of 0%.

    None jumped. Most died with shrunken belly and a couple with a white growth just behind the gill cover. Fed only once with daphnia so don't know if that is contributory. Certainly, not all the deaths can be attributed to that.

    On the other hand, the cheaper fishes like danios and neons tend to be very hardy for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zenislev View Post
    Wow bro fishsoup, i can see that your apisto's survival rate is quite high. Anymore tips to share with us?
    Heh, its nothing compared to many of the pros in AQ... really didn't do anything much, just keep them in heavily planted tanks. And i've found that the addition of dithers really helps, in my case at least.

    And no more live food. The death of my trifasciata male was the last straw for me, no more live food from then on, with the exception of some leftover bbs i hatch for my Lamprologous ornatipinnis fry.

    Also, i don't know if it helps, but i do very few water changes. A bro from AQ who my friend bought CRS from was saying that he has found his shrimp survive better when he carries out minimal water changes, so i just try to gun for heavily planted tanks and lower bioload, then change water less frequently. I usually only do about 20% water change each month.

    Ilumnae, care to share how you cured your fish of internal bacteria? It will really help a lot if (God forbid) another of my apisto comes down with that dreaded malady
    Last edited by FishSoup; 30th Jun 2008 at 02:33.

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