Bubbling of Plants???

[Sims]

Thanks for replies once again.

Anyway which are the test kit brands that will cause inaccurate readings.
Anyway anyone knows where to get cheap and nice balloon rams the pic is exactly like sherchoo's.
BTW anyone can tell me the reason behind my fish problem as stated (Problem is that they just start sinking to the bottom of the tank (lamp eyes/blue eyes tetra and my rams) seems like waiting for death but got no signs of diease or injury.)

Thanks hope to hear from you people again.
Thanks again.

[chia2k]

uh sleeping ? lol could be u know .

[Allen_1971]

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On 12/16/2002 12:39:38 AM

BTW anyone can tell me the reason behind my fish problem as stated (Problem is that they just start sinking to the bottom of the tank (lamp eyes/blue eyes tetra and my rams) seems like waiting for death but got no signs of diease or injury.)
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Have you checked your KH/PH/CO2? Also, if you are doing CO2 injection, what levels are you using?

[vinz]

Check your NO2, NO3 as well. Added any new fishes just before the die offs?

[Sims]

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Have you checked your KH/PH/CO2? Also, if you are doing CO2 injection, what levels are you using?
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Thanks for your reply allen,

Have not been able to raise my KH should be around 0. PH is around 7 from the test. No CO2 injection.

Hope this information is sufficient for you to help me solve this problem

Thanks a million

[Sims]

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Check your NO2, NO3 as well. Added any new fishes just before the die offs?
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Thanks for your reply vinz,

Did not check the NO2 and NO3, btw are they very important for planted tanks?
Only remember that for my rams they were okay and growing well after introducing them to the tank after the qurrantine period for my plants. After a week plus they started to die off especially my healthiest and biggest ones(first death 2 at once). (Before that I have the rams and blue eyes for around more than a month already).
As for my lamp eyes or blue eyes I added 4 to my existing 4 then suddenly one simply kept hiding and after two days it die off.

Hope this is sufficient info for you to help me solve my problem

Thanks a million.

[PeterGwee]

Sometimes all the conditions in your tank is alright but fish just die off...the only reason could be the fish you bought are not healthy (try not to get fish in tanks with dead fishes...you know lah..contamination)

[Allen_1971]

I read earlier that you are using KH up (from aquamedi?)... If so, its unlikely that your KH is zero... perhaps your test kit is expired? Also mebbe you can share on your tank size and how much KH up you put?

As for your fishes, when no obvious signs are present in the fish illness, then we typically look to internal bacteria/virus/ or parasites... in fact lately, there has been a spate of internal parasite outbreaks which leads me to think that one of the local breeders is not doing a proper quaranteen on his fish... Mebbe you can take some pics of the fish in question?

[Sims]

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I read earlier that you are using KH up (from aquamedi?)... If so, its unlikely that your KH is zero... perhaps your test kit is expired? Also mebbe you can share on your tank size and how much KH up you put?
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Thanks for your reply once again Allen,

My tank size is 60x30x45 as directed by the instructions on the bottle I pour around 1.5 given spoon in the bottle To treat my tank each time I change water but still no results after using the sera KH test. Checked the test kit but it is still usable not expired yet?

Thanks again hope to hear from you soon.

[jacian]

Sims,
Dissolve 1.5 spoon of KH up in a cup of water. Test the cup of water using your Sera KH test kit. If it does not show any value, you can throw away the test kit as it is faulty.

As for the fish, I agree with Allen that internal parasite is the likely cause. Do the fish stop feeding for a day or 2 before they die off?

Rams and blue eyes are small fish and they may just die off without any signs when hit by internal parasite.

[Sims]

Thanks jacian for your reply,

Thought so about the test kit and tried the KH test in a small container with KH added and after testing it turns blue which means it should be working.
But just can't seem to get the KH up in my tank.

Regarding the fish a few still swim out from hiding to eat but still die off...the rest just stop feeding.

If it is internal parasite problem do you have a solution for me.

Thanks again hope to hear from you soon.

[jacian]

1 spoon of KH up suppose increase the KH of 60l by 1. As why you cannot get KH up, it could be due to biogenic decalcification since you do not inject any CO2. Do you test the KH immediately after you add the KH up?

I do not have any cure for your fish. Maybe others can help. However, you should not add in any new fish till there is no more fish death.

[Allen_1971]

sims,

mebbe you can do a small experiment. Get a large pail and fill it with water. Add 1/2 a spoon of KH up and measure... assuming your pail is 15-20L in size, you should add least read 1dKH with your test kit. This should at least put to rest whether your test kit is working.

Also, can you take a look at your plants and see if there are any white powdery deposits on the leaves? Like calcium carbonate? If so, then it is most likely to be due to biogenic decalcification like jacian said... in case you are wondering what this is, you can read the following thread

Biogenic Decalcification

[vinz]

Sims,

Did you dissolve the KH up in water before adding to tank?

As for the fish deaths, try posting in "The Medical Room" forum. Some of the more fish illness knowledgable ppl may be skipping this thread due to the title.

[Sims]

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1 spoon of KH up suppose increase the KH of 60l by 1. As why you cannot get KH up, it could be due to biogenic decalcification since you do not inject any CO2. Do you test the KH immediately after you add the KH up?

I do not have any cure for your fish. Maybe others can help. However, you should not add in any new fish till there is no more fish death.
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Thanks for your reply again jacian,

I leave the water alone for a while after adding the KH but after adding to the tank and testing it shows me nothing but yellow never changing colour.

Thanks again hope to hear from you soon.

[Sims]

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sims,

mebbe you can do a small experiment. Get a large pail and fill it with water. Add 1/2 a spoon of KH up and measure... assuming your pail is 15-20L in size, you should add least read 1dKH with your test kit. This should at least put to rest whether your test kit is working.

Also, can you take a look at your plants and see if there are any white powdery deposits on the leaves? Like calcium carbonate? If so, then it is most likely to be due to biogenic decalcification like jacian said... in case you are wondering what this is, you can read the following thread
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Thanks Allen for your reply,

Did the water pail test b4 it works.
I don't see any white powdery stuff on my leaves.
Shall read the link you left me.

Thanks again hope to hear from you soon

[Sims]

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Sims,

Did you dissolve the KH up in water before adding to tank?

As for the fish deaths, try posting in The Medical Room forum. Some of the more fish illness knowledgable ppl may be skipping this thread due to the title.
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Thanks Vinz for your reply,

I did dissolve the KH powder in the water b4 I add to my tank but no results.

Thanks again hope to hear from you soon

[DEA]

stop adding stuff to your tank and do 30% water changes daily until you see an improvement in your fishes' condition
oftimes we wonder why our fish aren't doing well and we never consider that something we add for the plants isn't good for the fish
i can't tell you a definitive reason why your fish are dying, but this is a good way to start treating
and even if it IS internal parasites, small fish either fight it off on their own or they die
meds won't help much
try the water changes
help them help themselves

[Allen_1971]

Sims,

even if you do not see any decalcification, it could be possible that your plants are extracting the carbon they need from the bicarbonates. This is especially true if your tank is low in calcium anyway. However, if I read correctly, doing so would make the water quite alkaline. Which is not the case (you mentioned a ph of 7?)... Speaking of which how about checking your PH before and after you intoduce KH? Do it in the pail to make sure your ph kit works... would also be great to know the ph/kh of your tap water.

[Sims]

Thanks for your reply DEA,

I have now 8 lamp eyes and a ram left plus two oto, 26 shrimps and 3 puffers.

My lamp eyes seem to be all well now only the ram is a bit sickly. The shrimps oto and puffers are all well. Should I go ahead with your advice of water changing for my fishes or should I leave it.

Thanks again hope to hear from you soon.