Je®vis 4FT PLANTED TANK

**Jervis** · 17th Sep 2008, 21:17

Originally Posted by blue33

Oh Gosh!!!

Your cleaning crew

will be

The blue discus looks abit skinny to me.

Very cute

**blue33** · 17th Sep 2008, 21:21

Originally Posted by Jervis

Very cute

Btw nice shot from your 3G iPhone.

for you

**Jervis** · 17th Sep 2008, 21:24

Originally Posted by blue33

Btw nice shot from your 3G iPhone.

for you

Nah... it's a pathetic 2 Megapixel

**jasonchua1982** · 17th Sep 2008, 21:37

The Discus are nice ! I like the blue leopard snakeskin

Btw, is there a full tank shot ?

Think it will be stunning with the Discus in ur planted tank

**Jervis** · 17th Sep 2008, 22:05

Originally Posted by jasonchua1982

Btw, is there a full tank shot ?

Think it will be stunning with the Discus in ur planted tank

Will try to take tomorrow... especially for you

**Flowerhfanatic** · 17th Sep 2008, 22:13

Originally Posted by Jervis

All my Altum angels are gone (bought 10 small specimens)... the strong 4 manage to survive for 3 weeks... I guess that's not too bad a record for first timer... but that's not good enough

10 is all it takes I guess

i suffered the same fate with 18 pcs bro after introducing an infected batch

.. like what u said be positive and life goes on...

**jasonchua1982** · 17th Sep 2008, 22:15

Thanks Jervis....I feel so honoured

**luncheonMeat** · 18th Sep 2008, 03:31

i had a few altum in my other tank before, however this tank only has some rocks and hardly any plants in it. the altums survived till i threw in 100+ Neon tetras. Now only 1 surviving altum but all my tetras are doing very well. all survived and none has died after about 2 months. im suprised myself. the questions is why did my altums die?

**Jervis** · 18th Sep 2008, 09:56

Originally Posted by luncheonMeat

the questions is why did my altums die?

That's a million dollar question bro

**illumnae** · 18th Sep 2008, 11:09

Originally Posted by luncheonMeat

i had a few altum in my other tank before, however this tank only has some rocks and hardly any plants in it. the altums survived till i threw in 100+ Neon tetras. Now only 1 surviving altum but all my tetras are doing very well. all survived and none has died after about 2 months. im suprised myself. the questions is why did my altums die?

my first instinct would be ammonia poisoning. throwing 100+ Neon tetras into a tank at one go means that the biofilter isn't equipped to handle the extra waste. added to that is the fact that the tank is barely planted, so you have no buffer to play around with = sudden spike in ammonia = dead altums. the neons probably survived as they are much MUCH hardier than altums.

my second guess would be that the neons introduced some domestic strain of disease that they have built up an immunity to, but the altums being wild have never been exposed to previously.

my third guess, which isn't likely, is coincidence. altums are reputed to die off after awhile for no known rhyme or reason sometimes. maybe they just happened to coincide with the introduction of the neons. i doubt it though.

my bet is with ammonia poisoning

**blue33** · 18th Sep 2008, 11:35

I know there's one fish farm dealing with KOI's and Arowana in Neo Tiew Cres, they have a big pond with few thousands of Altums(could be more than that i guess) link with the rest of the pond to monitor the water condition of the rest of the pond.

**illumnae** · 18th Sep 2008, 11:58

i honestly find that very hard to believe.

1. it doesn't make sense to have thousands of altums to monitor water conditions when a small school would do just as good a job.

2. adding a few thousand altums will lower water quality due to massive bioload increase. also reduce profits of the farm as that huge pond could have been used to breed/rear more koi/arowana

3. In times when the water condition is bad, a few thousand altums die, causing:
a) huge ammonia spike
b) huge replacement costs buying a few thousand new altums

4. if water conditions are bad and altums die during non-seasonal period, how to replace?

**blue33** · 18th Sep 2008, 12:11

Originally Posted by illumnae

i honestly find that very hard to believe.

1. it doesn't make sense to have thousands of altums to monitor water conditions when a small school would do just as good a job.

2. adding a few thousand altums will lower water quality due to massive bioload increase. also reduce profits of the farm as that huge pond could have been used to breed/rear more koi/arowana

3. In times when the water condition is bad, a few thousand altums die, causing:
a) huge ammonia spike
b) huge replacement costs buying a few thousand new altums

4. if water conditions are bad and altums die during non-seasonal period, how to replace?

I know is hard to believe, but when you see the pond with full of altums there... only WOW i can said.

Maybe they breed also, who knows.

Oh! Btw they dont sell the Altums

**leechaorui** · 18th Sep 2008, 13:02

My friend introduced a tank of altums to about 100 neon tetras. After 3 weeks, the altums were fattened up because they have consumed most of the neon tetras.

As long the the neon tetras are properly quarantined before introduction and the water is stable, I think altums are in the upper hand.

**luncheonMeat** · 18th Sep 2008, 17:54

Originally Posted by leechaorui

My friend introduced a tank of altums to about 100 neon tetras. After 3 weeks, the altums were fattened up because they have consumed most of the neon tetras.

As long the the neon tetras are properly quarantined before introduction and the water is stable, I think altums are in the upper hand.

I guessed my altums were outnumbered! haha, 100 Neon to 5 Altums. they must have felt intimidated! Well, i have 1 suvivour and its growing pretty big.

**illumnae** · 18th Sep 2008, 18:00

you didn't read my post :P Nothing to do with intimidation.

all the best with the survivor, hope you can rear him to his full majesty. Perhaps you could get a few companions for him? Altums do better in groups

**luncheonMeat** · 18th Sep 2008, 18:19

Originally Posted by illumnae

you didn't read my post :P Nothing to do with intimidation.

all the best with the survivor, hope you can rear him to his full majesty. Perhaps you could get a few companions for him? Altums do better in groups

I read your post. i was just cracking a joke, maybe its not that funny.

Well, i might just get a few more altums in the near future. was thinking of trasfering it to my new tank, either the altums or buy some nice discus.

not firmed yet. Need the new tank to stabilise first.. discovered mould today.

**Jervis** · 18th Sep 2008, 19:33

Wow my tank thread has become an altum discussion thread... All I can say is altums should only be kept by experienced fishkeepers who will go the extra mile to ensure their survival. And I'm not one of those... Unfortunately it took 10 lives to make me realize that.

**Jervis** · 19th Sep 2008, 00:33

Originally Posted by jasonchua1982

Thanks Jervis....I feel so honoured

Here you go

A FTS focus more on the plants

A FTS focusing on the Discus

**luncheonMeat** · 19th Sep 2008, 00:39

Originally Posted by Jervis

Wow my tank thread has become an altum discussion thread... .

Sorry about the altum discussion Bro.. topic got drifted away.

Anyways, Very nice shot of the tank and the discus are simply a beauty!

Great tank there!

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