Fish C02 Poisoning Boo Boo - Help!

[Loopy]

I stupidly raised my CO2 last night and when it came on this morning it was too high. So when I came back this evening some-hell had broke loose.

Thankfully I caught it in time, though my Ram does not seem like it is going to make it.

- It is swimming upside down
- I have been holding it upright for about an hour over now
- All the fins seem to have come online
- Colour has returned

=-= Here is the problem, he cannot maintain his balance, has anyone ever "balanced" and saved their fish?

I have massive water agitation and air bubbles.

Anyone ever faced this?

I am looking at the ram as I type this

Thanks all - Loopy

[davescube]

I had this one time when I shaked my DIY CO2 bottle, it produced massive CO2 bubbles..
I thought the DIY CO2 no longer produced any gas..

so one of the fry jumping here and there, it died a hour later..
while 3 of my dwarfpuffer is okay as I soon agitate the water for a few minutes with my finger

[Shadow]

hapen to me twice so what I did is 50% water change and air pump. Not sure if you net it and put it in other tank will help, pH shock might kill it.

[Verminator]

Water change and add an airstone would be a good move for the time being. Obviously turn off your CO2 a.s.a.p to get your water as concentrated with O2 as possible.

Alternatively if you happen to have another empty tank running as a quarentine tank put him in there (filled with some water from existing tank) and get that tank as rammed full of O2 as possible.

Either way you need to increase the tanks O2 concentration and reduce CO2.

Hope your fish isnt too far gone to recover. I too had rams about 2 years ago, and they were very sensitive to O2 levels. I lost them both when i began adding CO2 for my plants. Good luck mate.

[BlackHawk]

It happend to me once too. It was tool late by then i turned off the Co2 and turn on the air pump. One by one, it die off ..

[Loopy]

Thank you everyone for all the "best of luck" posts.

Lost the Ram And Lost one Wood Shrimp.

Though, I would like to share something I learnt. 2 wood shrimp had lost all control over their front legs:
http://badmanstropicalfish.com/mb_pi...ica_bamboo.jpg

I thought I had surely lost them. Amazingly, after 2 hours of aeration their legs slowly but surely came back online. And they are happily swimming.

It looks like their legs were going through rigor mortis and they returned.

So in all, I lost 2 creatures But at least my Clown Boys and Fei Fong made it. (I have no clue what a Fei Fong is in English)

[Verminator]

Unlucky mate. Rams are sensitive fish. I've had two pairs in the last two years and i've lost them both. Even after my first batch bred, a week later the female died.

[Quixotic]

I have no clue what a Fei Fong is in English

Scientifically, it is a Semaprochilodus species. Common name Flagtail Prochilodus/Characin.

[Loopy]

Unlucky mate. Rams are sensitive fish. I've had two pairs in the last two years and i've lost them both. Even after my first batch bred, a week later the female died.

Very nice, yours bred, I never realised how sensitive Rams were.

Actually I was very unlucky with this batch, I bought 12 of them. 11 of which perished in the first 3 days. This was the one survivor I had for about 8 months.

Scientifically, it is a Semaprochilodus species. Common name Flagtail Prochilodus/Characin.

Thank heaps, I was wondering what they were called. Flagtail, that makes heaps of sense. I have 11 bands or 12!

Everything is going well now in the tank, everyone seems to be happy. Though the cloud is still up as the tank has been up for about 1 1/2 weeks but surely going away.

[Morgan01]

just planted my new setup...increased the CO2 and all feeder shrimp (for testing only) started to get agitated. day 2 1 dead after another...more tried to surface.

so does this meant too much CO2? i testing stage before filling up with real fishes. any advice?

[Loopy]

just planted my new setup...increased the CO2 and all feeder shrimp (for testing only) started to get agitated. day 2 1 dead after another...more tried to surface.

so does this meant too much CO2? i testing stage before filling up with real fishes. any advice?

Yes, if they are trying to surface means your C02 is off the charts.

1.) What is your bubble count in your bubble counter?
2.) What is the size of your tank?

[Morgan01]

about 2 bubbles per sec for a 4x1.5x2 footer
thought since newly planted wanna give them all the want for a start.

[Loopy]

Hmmm that is the same size as my tank, and I with the water agitation I actually used more than 2 bubbles per second. (Before my boo boo! I am this forum-thread starter) I was using 4 bubbles a second. Goes into an external mixer into the tank. So I do not see a problem.

A better indication would be to put in a small fish and see if they come to the surface.

Also your feeder shrimp, are these like the Malayan Shrimps? They die easily and are a good toss-in at the beginning but they die real quick (from my experience) So that should be normal.

Do you have water agitation?

about 2 bubbles per sec for a 4x1.5x2 footer
thought since newly planted wanna give them all the want for a start.

[Morgan01]

not malayan but just normal feeder shrimps...they are expandable so i care less. ha!

reduced to 1 bubble per second now...seems more stable. added some fish and they seemed alright. checked my drop checker...no hazardous color warning as far. will monitor.

how's yourS?

[Loopy]

Nice to hear that it is more stable now, do you have water agitation by default? I need to cause I have a few fish. I did a massive water change 75% yesterday in the morning it is very good today when I left for work. Let's hope for the best.

Glad to hear your tank is better Hope it works out well. Plonk in 20 Cardinals and see what happens, hee hee!

not malayan but just normal feeder shrimps...they are expandable so i care less. ha!

reduced to 1 bubble per second now...seems more stable. added some fish and they seemed alright. checked my drop checker...no hazardous color warning as far. will monitor.

how's yourS?

[Verminator]

I don't agree with using fish's lives to test water and "if they die they die" attitude. Unless i'm misinterpreting what people are mentioning.

Seems a bit care free to me.

[Morgan01]

feeder shrimps either arowana's stomach or CO2 poison both cases same destiny

[TTS]

Encountered similar case with the TS last night... nearly executed all my newly-brought cardinals

After slowly acclimatising the cardinals for 3 hrs, I scoop them into my 3 footer and immediately all of them raised to the surface of the water mouth wide open grasping for air

Upon seeing this I off the CO2 immediately and turn on my spare air pump and let it run for about 30 minutes.

Lucky... no casualty

[Loopy]

I completely agree with that, but I think I was not clear. *About the Plonking or testing of small fish*

My process is round the clock monitoring and with round the clock I sit in front or where I can see the tank for a period of about 6 hours on a Saturday and Sunday.

Here is my process/steps:
> Adjust filter so that there is a decent amount of water agitation
> Adjust the C02 to 1 bubble a second to have a visual gauge
> Adjust the C02 to 2 bubbles a second
> Watch the movement of the fish for any signs of distress

It is very care free to use a live creature as a test and I don't support that.

I don't agree with using fish's lives to test water and "if they die they die" attitude. Unless i'm misinterpreting what people are mentioning.

Seems a bit care free to me.

[Verminator]

Well thats perfectly fine then